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Is Boris right?

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:31pm
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Today Boris Johnson announced further easing to Covid-19 restrictions in the UK, with the "hope" of being "back to normal" before Christmas. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53441912

At the same time Catalonia has just increased restrictions on 4m people in the Barcelona area.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/17/four-million-people-in-catalonia-asked-to-stay-at-home-amid-coronavirus-surge

The UK changes appear to be at odds with the Catalan experience, and with the comments from the SAGE group regarding a winter surge.

So, is Boris right to ease restrictions? If not, what should he do?

Terryoneone

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:46am

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:46am

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It’s funny reading all these different opinions, one person asked a question, someone  answered it( with an obvious political slant) then before you know it we are no longer answering the question, but exchanging quips.....I actually believe the strategy was to expect the British population to conform to the current restrictions whatever they were at the time, this has been done largely....the media don’t report that bit.....the R rate has always been the key and because perhaps the R rate has reduced they are able to ease more restrictions..yes agreed some of the policies have been confusing, a little late some would say, but the rate of infection has always decreased , affording easing of restrictions, to my knowledge Catalan is not under the jurisdiction of the uk govt and so can’t really be compared...

There has been a lot of scaremongering by the media over the way they have reported Covid and brexit and I believe the people are now just waking up to this, some calling for the bbc to be defunded etc.

Terry

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:15am

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:15am

Terryoneone wrote on Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:46am:

It’s funny reading all these different opinions, one person asked a question, someone  answered it( with an obvious political slant) then before you know it we are no longer answering the question, but exchanging quips.....I actually believe the strategy was to expect the British populatio...

...n to conform to the current restrictions whatever they were at the time, this has been done largely....the media don’t report that bit.....the R rate has always been the key and because perhaps the R rate has reduced they are able to ease more restrictions..yes agreed some of the policies have been confusing, a little late some would say, but the rate of infection has always decreased , affording easing of restrictions, to my knowledge Catalan is not under the jurisdiction of the uk govt and so can’t really be compared...

There has been a lot of scaremongering by the media over the way they have reported Covid and brexit and I believe the people are now just waking up to this, some calling for the bbc to be defunded etc.

Terry

Boris Johnston is aware that it is absolutely VITAL to get the country back to any sort of normality. Part of his suggestions was that people should go back to work in their place of work and not from home. Clearly, if people begin taking the tube into work or their usual train or indeed flights, the economy will gradually begin to move again. Coffee shops will reopen at stations, fast food, flowers . It’s a knock on situation and if this doesn’t happen ,the country will go bankrupt and then where will we be?  The figures show that this virus badly affects older people with underlying health issues and fortunately they don’t have to leave their homes to go to work. The younger, healthier generation will have to brave it and go to work. That’s how life works. That’s the choice unfortunately and our Prime Minister  is simply doing his best to lead us.

You sceptics are all fortunate to have left the country so shouldn’t have any need to worry apart from hoping that the economy does get back and running and in due course the pound increases in value and you will all be happy enough about that and so will we. 

This virus hasn’t left and probably has no intention of either. All of us MUST CONTINUE to wash our hands regularly, wears masks, gloves and follow all the other good advice given. 

If we ( the anxious) follow the guidelines , we will survive. 

We have no choice but to move on and get life back to some semblance of normality or there will be NO AFFORDABLE flights for any of us and all of the non resident home owners in Spain will be unable to visit Spain and you people won’t be able to visit your family in the U.K. apart from taking a long road trip to do so. 

Our government is doing its best for us and I’m not complaining. 

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:20am

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:20am

Cookep1 wrote on Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:31pm:

Today Boris Johnson announced further easing to Covid-19 restrictions in the UK, with the "hope" of being "back to normal" before Christmas. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53441912

At the same time Catalonia has just increased restrictions on 4m people in the Barcelona area.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/17/four-million-people-in-catalonia-asked-to-stay-at-home-amid-coronavirus-surge

The UK changes appear to be at odds with the Catalan experience, and with the comments from the SAGE group regarding a winter surge.

So, is Boris right to ease restrictions? If not, what should he do?

Hi,

    the UK government is right in trying to get the country back to normal, whilst accepting that there may be setbacks along the way. The Spanish government was right in easing restrictions some time back and unfortunately there are now some setbacks in  different areas of Spain. The UK has problem areas hence the local lockdown in Leicester that commenced last week and the close monitoring of several other locations. This is what has happened in virtually every country after easing restrictions, Germany, China, S. Korea, Australia, etc etc. These setbacks have to be managed locally, which is what is happening, whilst trying to maintain the positive outlook.

  All governments have to look at normalising their economies as soon as possible whilst balancing the risk, that is what the UK government are doing. Like any action there will also be critics, fact of life. Having a target of year end for a normal life is a aspiration, which may not be viable come December, but at the moment it is a valid goal.   

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Allan 01

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:02am

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:02am

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I don’t  know if this will work ,.

Unfortunately I can’t get this copied and pasted,but the short version is over a £ billion pounds was spent on ordering PPE from companies from the Caymen  island tax dodging companies ,and companies who have failed to supply tax records ,companies who are owned by shady people  and more .NONE of the companies supplied the ordered PPE ,...All crooked shady deals ,making this bunch of arrogant Toffs ,a fortune on the back of Corona Virus this is to say the least ,very worrying ,and is downright crooked ,.I have tried to copy  this from another post ,but this shows the way these imbeciles are making serious money from the corona virus situation ..These arrogant greedy B%%%%rds need to be charged for their crimes ..

They must pay for this Blatant theft 

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:08am

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Grannyrose wrote on Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:15am:

Boris Johnston is aware that it is absolutely VITAL to get the country back to any sort of normality. Part of his suggestions was that people should go back to work in their place of work and not from home. Clearly, if people begin taking the tube into work or their usual train or indeed flights,...

... the economy will gradually begin to move again. Coffee shops will reopen at stations, fast food, flowers . It’s a knock on situation and if this doesn’t happen ,the country will go bankrupt and then where will we be?  The figures show that this virus badly affects older people with underlying health issues and fortunately they don’t have to leave their homes to go to work. The younger, healthier generation will have to brave it and go to work. That’s how life works. That’s the choice unfortunately and our Prime Minister  is simply doing his best to lead us.

You sceptics are all fortunate to have left the country so shouldn’t have any need to worry apart from hoping that the economy does get back and running and in due course the pound increases in value and you will all be happy enough about that and so will we. 

This virus hasn’t left and probably has no intention of either. All of us MUST CONTINUE to wash our hands regularly, wears masks, gloves and follow all the other good advice given. 

If we ( the anxious) follow the guidelines , we will survive. 

We have no choice but to move on and get life back to some semblance of normality or there will be NO AFFORDABLE flights for any of us and all of the non resident home owners in Spain will be unable to visit Spain and you people won’t be able to visit your family in the U.K. apart from taking a long road trip to do so. 

Our government is doing its best for us and I’m not complaining. 

 According to you , theyare  “doing their best” 

Read my post about them robbing us of over. £ a billion on fake purchases of Ppe ,then tell me you still believe in this bunch of robbing crooks 

Can’t believe , you believe in these 

Allan 01

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:31pm

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:31pm

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These Robbing murdering imbeciles ,should be prosecuted to the full extent ,thieves ,liars ,cheats and scumbags , making money ..lots of, out of the corona virus ,disgraceful is not an adequate word ...Honestly can’t see why some people are still believing ,and backing this crooked goverment ,,,shocking !

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33pm

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33pm

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 regardless of the source means , it’s probably not true ray?

I think you need to think outside the box a little, before the Covid crisis any responsible manufacturer would only supply to demand with a little stock. its stands to reason that that demand almost overnight shot through the roof, I can’t quote numbers but would suggest it went from millions to billions,there a shortage of ppe throughout the world and sensibly governments kept their supply for front line staff ie nhs.

I work in the construction industry and would pre Covid order masks weekly, now anyone wearing a mask would have to do a face fit test, about an hour with a trained guy, so they would teach you how to put the mask on correctly, clean shaven faces only. Ffp 3 Masks.... every govt I have seen is not stipulating this type of mask in fact some suggest just a face covering(scarf,snood etc).

The only good a mask would have is if the wearer had Covid and It would provide a limited barrier, I can’t speak about scarfs etc but would suggest very little protection.

Cottage industries making these coverings in my opinion are merely providing a comfort blanket to the wearer and people in close proximity, an ffp3 mask is much better but only if clean shaven and worn correctly...

Gloves of any glitterati are a waste of time again if used incorrectly ie going from one place to another with the same gloves on touching handrails, food items etc etc.

The biggest protection against Covid is to act responsibly if you have the symptoms and isolate....

Terry

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:48pm

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I'm a member of the Labour party. I say this to make it clear I'm not a tory, I don't agree with their general policy and I'm not a fan of Boris, or, in my opinion, the other inept sycophantic "yes-men" he's surrounded himself with. I think Cummings has a very dangerous agenda with some even more dangerous puppet masters, and I genuinely can't understand why any working-class person would vote Tory.

I feel Boris is nothing more than a chancer. He has little understanding of the job in hand, and no interest in it. he wants admiration and power. He has (again, in my opinion) deep psychological issues, verging on narcissism and is ultimately a very dangerous man to have in charge of a Country. To me, there is a paper-thin gap between him and Trump, only Boris is way smarter than Trump.

 Throughout the pandemic the Tory government have done what they always do: Looked for angles to make themselves and their friends money. There are scores of instances of this, some detailed above. This week alone they've had to issue a recall of testing kits supplied by a company that was awarded the contract with no due diligence or process. It then turned out kits didn't work. The background of this company is murky at best, with deep links with the Tory party. This is now so unsurprising, it doesn't even make the mainstream news anymore!

The Tory government have been slow to react in almost every situation. In many of these situations, they didn't need hindsight as they could have simply learnt from the experience of other countries. But no. They dithered, sent out mixed messages, changed their minds and were slow on pretty much everything. This undoubtedly cost lives, and will continue to do so.

They have also been exceptionally economical with the truth. Or, simply lied through their teeth, and again, continue to do so. Some months back Boris was doing what he does best: Using elaborate language to make it sound like one thing while actually meaning another. Vaccine by June anyone?

Despite all this, I have to say, hand on heart, and this is tough being a party member, but I doubt Labour could have done any better. In fact, maybe worse. 

Thanks to the huge majority the Tories got at the last election Boris has been willing to spend, seriously spend, way more than I think labour would have. The various schemes have meant that lots of businesses, and so jobs, have been saved in the short term. It's now up to the general public to do their bit to continue to save them. And that means, as Grannyrose said, taking some risks.

If local cluster management works, and if people get back out there, start working and start spending again, we might just come out of this not too bad. And I think it does fall to the government to give people a nudge, or a boot up the arse even, to get things moving. Yes we are all going to have to start taking risks, but again, as grannyrose says, that's life. The alternative is to "stay-safe" and slowly die of boredom/depression/starvation as the country goes bankrupt.

There is no doubt that the Tories have made a monumental clusterf**k of a lot of handling of the pandemic, but not really much more or less than most countries. The difference is though they have spent, and that might be the key to success in the end. A lot over the next ten years will depend on A. Just hoe big the debt for the pandemic ends up, and B. How they plan to repay it, but that's a discussion for another day. As the saying goes... "When the flames are getting high you don't worry about the water damage. You keep throwing on water until the flames are gone".

The continual comparisons between the UK and Spain are obviously going to happen here, but they are unfair. The demographic, geography and lifestyle vary enormously between the two countries, and this plays hugely into the numbers by which all countries are being judged (cases and deaths).

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:06pm

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:06pm

You can buy any colour and style of mask in many shops.  There is no shortage of the basic nose and mouth covering. I think they are a waste of money at present. Should there be more COVID 19 cases in the future, then people will need to cover their faces but Terry is correct, these masks are unsuitable for prevention.keep wearing your disposable hlives though. 

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