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Why not two in the car......?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:45am
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Those who argue, usually on the flimsiests of pretexts, that they should be allowed to go out together in the car for shopping etc. might want to consider this. 

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/04/18/a-quarter-of-guardia-civil-agents-in-spain-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

Note that the number has come from testing not from those who have actually come down with the virus or even shown symptoms, in other words unwitting carriers with the potential to infect people they come in contact with - such as couples in cars who are certain to be stopped if spotted.

With such a high percentage of colleagues being infected it's not hard to  understand the Guardia being unsympathetic to excuses from lockdown chancers.

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:19am

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:19am

Movingon wrote on Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:45am:

Those who argue, usually on the flimsiests of pretexts, that they should be allowed to go out together in the car for shopping etc. might want to consider this. 

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/04/18/a-quarter-of-guardia-civil-agents-in-spain-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

Note that the number has come from testing not from those who have actually come down with the virus or even shown symptoms, in other words unwitting carriers with the potential to infect people they come in contact with - such as couples in cars who are certain to be stopped if spotted.

With such a high percentage of colleagues being infected it's not hard to  understand the Guardia being unsympathetic to excuses from lockdown chancers.

True.

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:34am

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:34am

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"If a quarter of the guardia are testing positive its time Spain pulled these guardia off the streets."

Therefore: is it not logical to "pull the public (who are not being tested) off the streets."

The testing indicate numbers & statistics not a cure. Those infected only partially point towards the actual persons affected by the pandemic.

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:36am

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:36am

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Interesting figures and only time will tell which Country has responded in the more correct manner .

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:42am

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:42am

LeckyLes wrote on Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:36am:

Interesting figures and only time will tell which Country has responded in the more correct manner .

LeckyLes 

Yes, to talk in hindsight will indicate the facts. If only we had hindsight. The future may indicate the actual numbers. At this moment in time, the ongoing numbers will fluctuate as an indication solely.

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:39am

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:39am

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This is not just about infection rates, although it is the most important thing.  In Britain up to now there are over 15,000.  To talk about 1 in so many is glib when it is not your own suffering or relative working on the front line trying to save lives. 

15,000 people and climbing US 37,000 and climbing. I don't know about you but I don't want to sacrifice my niece (a health worker) for the economy . 

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:54am

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Your post has made me so angry and upset that I am shaking.

This virus has no vaccine, it is unpredictable and clever.  It can kill people who are not in the vulnerable group, it can reside in people who do not suffer symptoms so spread it quickly because it is very very contagious.  

It mutated in the first 2 weeks of its initial identification and if we don't contain it it could mutate into something even more dangerous. 

We can build our economy, people will work hard and if the government's behave in the right way we can come back stronger. It has been a big wake up call.  We cannot bring back the dead. We have a duty as a society, as human beings to protect each other from threats and anything that could take life.  Not sacrifice people, because that is basically what you are suggesting and I presume you are safe in the knowledge that it won't be you. 

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I do not underestimate the effect on the economy.  Quite the opposite, I taught economics and social policy in university. 

I am fully aware of the effect on all the population not just the arbitrary 80% (?) you mention. The economy in Spain and UK was very very flawed for very different reasons.  I won't go into the economic theories of the creation of wealth or indeed the circulation of wealth, this is very different to an 'economy' of a country . 15000 (and this is under reported) deaths represents 15000 families devastated.  No-one knows if it is going to mutate.  

In lockdown the government are providing subsidies for lost wages, people are using that money for food and in some cases in the UK other goods and services.  If money is circulating that is what keeps an economy going.  Some people are actually doing quite well from this disaster and so shows that the economy can return and let's hope to a better state than it was in. 

It is astonishing that people do not realise that some governments and and countries appear to be run for the 'economy' or wealth(y) not the citizens and when people like Trump , who says such things as 'if we come out of this with only 200,000 we have done a good job).  When figures are expressed as only, and  so many percent % of the population  you are negating the people who have died.  

A governments priority is to keep its nation safe, healthy and free from threat, after all that is why US and UK spend billions and billions of tax payers money on nuclear deterrent, for a possible threat , that might happen in the future .  If nuclear war happened the world would be utterly destroyed so expenditure of all those billions would have been for nothing that should have been spent on services.

My children and grand child are going to be very badly effected by this lockdown financially, but they are doing it willingly and making plans to come back fighting because they are grateful that front line workers are putting their lives on the line to protect and save those vulnerable to the virus who ever they are, this group of people is becoming bigger all the time, men, overweight  , over 50 being a particularly susceptible category at the moment.  

Don't patronise me please. 

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:14pm

Movingon wrote on Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:45am:

Those who argue, usually on the flimsiests of pretexts, that they should be allowed to go out together in the car for shopping etc. might want to consider this. 

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/04/18/a-quarter-of-guardia-civil-agents-in-spain-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

Note that the number has come from testing not from those who have actually come down with the virus or even shown symptoms, in other words unwitting carriers with the potential to infect people they come in contact with - such as couples in cars who are certain to be stopped if spotted.

With such a high percentage of colleagues being infected it's not hard to  understand the Guardia being unsympathetic to excuses from lockdown chancers.

Completely irrelevant, two in a car if they live together is no greater risk than being cooped up in a small apartment together. Everyone in Spain carries ID so the police can easily ascertain who is husband and wife etc. I suspect two police officers in a car would not be cohabiting so the risk is significantly higher. 

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:24pm

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:24pm

Point missed completely! 

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