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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:36pm
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Movingon

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In my book Rabb is as big a liar as Mad Dog BoJo.

UK Embassy in Madrid has just released this:-

An open letter from the Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab to UK nationals living in Spain


Stay up to date, go to the Living in Spain Guide at gov.uk/livinginspain

In less than a month, the will of the British people will be delivered and the United Kingdom will leave the European Union. This, of course, will be a time of transition. But for those living in Spain, I want to assure you that as Foreign Secretary, I am working to ensure that your rights and access to services remain as strong as ever.

From Madrid to Malaga, and Barcelona to Benidorm, 300,000 Britons have made Spain their home. No matter the terms of our departure from the EU, you will continue to be able to live and work in Spain. LIE - he can't say that in the same breath as he's just said that he's working on it it.

But to make sure your daily needs are met, there are some steps you must take to get ready for Brexit on 31 October. You’ll need to register for residency, check your healthcare cover, verify your passport validity online and exchange your UK driving licence for a Spanish one. To check the specific actions you need to take, and stay up to date, go to the Living in Spain Guide at gov.uk/livinginspain

In Government, we are doing our bit to get ready for Brexit, too. We are making sure that on 1 November, every British national living in Spain can go on living, working, studying and accessing healthcare.

We are working with the Spanish authorities to make processes as smooth and straightforward as possible, whether you’re applying for residency or a new driving licence.

And we are working with the Spanish National Health System, SNS, to ensure that tourists, students and European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) holders will be able to access healthcare in the same way until at least 31 December 2020.

We are working hard to reach a deal with the EU. But even if the UK leaves without a deal, the UK and Spain have each taken steps to ensure you will be able to continue accessing healthcare in Spain, exactly as you do now, until at least 31 December 2020 if you are an S1 form holder.

Of course, every circumstance is unique. And we know that some British people might need some extra support during this transition.

We want to support those who may find it harder to complete all the paperwork – like pensioners or disabled people, those living in remote areas, and those needing assistance with language translation or interpretation. The Foreign Office has allocated an extra £3 million for charities and other voluntary organisations to help these people keep their rights and access to services in the EU.

You should be checking in regularly with the Embassy in Madrid or local consulates in Alicante, Barcelona, Ibiza, Las Palmas, Malaga, Palma de Mallorca, Santa Cruz de Tenerife, for information on upcoming local ‘question and answer’ sessions, town hall meetings and information stands in supermarkets and on high streets.

And by now, you should also be seeing one of the largest information campaigns in British history, which launched with advice in newspapers and on billboards, encouraging people across the UK and Europe to Get Ready for Brexit.

This is an exciting time, but also one of unprecedented change. We’re getting ready for Brexit on 31 October, and I would urge you to do the same.'

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:53am

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:53am

Hi Movingon,

What I'm surprised by, is that you sound surprised! 😄

"From Madrid to Malaga, and Barcelona to Benidorm, 300,000 Britons have made Spain their home. No matter the terms of our departure from the EU, you will continue to be able to live and work in Spain." "LIE - he can't say that in the same breath as he's just said that he's working on it it" (sic).  

Actually, this isn't a lie - at best, it's semantics, at worst, it's spin.  We will be able to continue living and working in Spain - but potentially on much different (worse) conditions.  This is just more of the mealy-mouthed propaganda that's been spouted by "Leave" MPs since before the referendum even took place.

Take Raab's opening statement, "the will of the British people will be delivered and the United Kingdom will leave the European Union."  The '52% Leave, versus 48% Remain' is a deliberately misleading cut of the stats.  Based on records from the Office of National Statistics, the British population in February 2016 was 64.6m and the referendum results breakdown as follows:

Leave:  17,410,742

Remain:  16,141,241

Abstained:  12,948,018

Not on electoral register:  18,099,999

Hardly "the will of the British people" 🤨

If almost 13m abstainers chose to use their vote a second time around, along with the 16 and 17 year olds in 2016 who are now eligible to vote....... little wonder the 'Leavers' are so scared of a second referendum.

By the way, if you sign up for email alerts at www.gov.uk/Brexit you'll receive Brexit information as soon as the UK government releases it.  The UK government has been releasing information via this channel for at least a couple of years now, so quite alarming to see from recent posts on this and other fora that some people still appear to be uninformed 🤔

But I don't believe the primary purpose of Raab's letter is to inform the public.  I believe it's a positioning statement: "We're working really hard to get a deal, but if we don't, it's the EU's fault".

Kind regards, 

Kim

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:23am

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:23am

An emotive issue, usually referred to as the democratic voice.

If you abstained, refuse to vote, not on the roll then bloody tough. 

I don’t agree with it either, but I will respect the democratic voice and go with it. The alternative does not bear thinking about. If we decide to thwart the democratic voice then the road we will travel will become horrid and dark and will result in many more abstaining voices, more removing from the electorate roll, more disparity in the people as a whole and an even more difficult suitation in the future.

It is what it is, now get on with it and get back to at least some normality. We had a vote, we voted out and as a whole we should respect that decision (whether we like it or not, as I said I don’t like the outcome but respect it) and just because the turnout was as quoted does not change things.....we call it the DEMOCRATIC VOICE.

Attempting to overturn or fudge a legitimise decision will only go one way. 

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:40pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:40pm

Hi BeniSnowbird,

I think you've misunderstood the purpose of my post.  It was intended to take issue with the glib sound-bites that Dominic Raab has used in his letter.  His suggestion that, "this is an exciting time" for any UK citizen shows how out of touch he is with at least half the UK's population.

I am a Remainer who has always believed that the result of the referendum should be respected, even though it was non-binding.  It would be in my personal interests for the UK and the EU to agree a deal, but the current one on the table will not honour the variety of reasons that Leavers have cited for voting that way.  However, I have now decided that, so long as current discussions result in an amendment to that deal which protects the Good Friday Agreement, preventing the resurrection of terrorism on the island of Ireland, that's good enough for me.

Kind regards,

Kim

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:05pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:05pm

Yeah, sorry... I did read your post in an incorrect light.

All politicians need to get on with it, refrain from the blame game, and move things on. Bloody Brexit, brings out the worst in people.

Won’t change things for me as I’ll still be on Spain half the year regardless of the outcome.

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:01pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:01pm

Not sure a second a referendum would be of any use, as the leader of Los Verdes, has said they would just ignore it if the UK voted a 2nd time to leave.

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:46pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:46pm

Pix Elated wrote on Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:01pm:

Not sure a second a referendum would be of any use, as the leader of Los Verdes, has said they would just ignore it if the UK voted a 2nd time to leave.

How does "Los Verdes" (the Confederation of The Greens), with no representation in the Spanish parliament, have any influence in this?

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:05pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:05pm

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No, won’t bother me.

I’ve an Irish passport, a British passport and American citizenship. I’ll sail in whatever boat suits me !

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:55pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:55pm

Absolutely :-)

Great, ain’t it.

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