Moving to Spain: what happens if the UK leaves the EU? - Page 19

You are making statements as if it will be a bilateral agreement between the UK and Spain. You do know it will be a UK / EU agreement and Spain will have to abide by that?

The interests of 27 versus the interests of one. Hum. Not great odds. 

I'm really hoping for a Norway type deal but I'm not banking on it, we've alienated ourslves from our friends with this silly referendum.

In 2004 I did a research paper for a Home county council on 2020 futures.  It covered lots of different areas from the need to update planning requirements for digital utilities to recycling futures. One area was future elder care planning which was based on historic levels and projections based on the current population getting older.  I predicted that we would need to plan for the return of the retirement diaspora. That broke the modelling. The answer wasn’t reload at funding but to rely on the ability to refuse free care to people who could not prove (really prove) uk residency for the previous 8 years. If you needed to come back how sure are you that you would be treated at least as badly as those who have been here the whole time. I previously worked in benefits and since the 1980s they have got harder to get and keep. What’s your plan b ? Pray? 

This is why I am keeping a property in the UK as a fall back option.

Me too. I’m just glad that we have options. I’m so sad that some peeps have been so led astray by those who couldn’t give a flying fcuk about what happens next to those who can’t afford to weather the storm. If you believe the carp that murdoch and dacre and the Barclay brothers feed you (sun times mail express and telegraph) then you only have yourselves to blame when it all goes tits up for you. Do you really believe that they have your interests at heart. Really? 

Me too. I’m just glad that we have options. I’m so sad that some peeps have been so led astray by those who couldn’t give a flying fcuk about what happens next to those who can’t afford to weather the storm. If you believe the carp that murdoch and dacre and the Barclay brothers feed you (sun times mail express and telegraph) then you only have yourselves to blame when it all goes tits up for you. Do you really believe that they have your interests at heart. Really? 

It's not really the fault of the people who read these rags as they've been fed this rubbish for 40 years, it's that drip feed of misinformation and half truths, as I said earlier we might get a Norway type deal where we keep our freedom of movement which we've all benefitted from. I genuinely don't see any other way to resolve the Irish border issue so maybe we should stay optimistic, it also looks very much like the leave side cheated which might persuade the government to take a softer approach than they have so far, fingers crossed.

I've just been reading the 23rd March update on the Brexit negotiations. Some snippets:

The UK government has reached an agreement ... it will allow UK nationals to stay in their Member State of residence after the UK leaves the EU on 29 March 2019.

implementation ... will start on 30 March 2019 and last until 31 December 2020. This means that all UK nationals lawfully residing in another EU Member State on 31 December 2020 will be covered by the citizens’ rights agreement reached in December.

Following the agreement on the Implementation Period, all UK nationals lawfully residing in another EU Member State on 31 December 2020 will be covered by the citizens’ rights agreement.

UK nationals and their family members covered by the agreement will continue to have the same access as they currently do to healthcare, pensions and other benefits.

UK nationals and their family members covered by the agreement will be able to leave their Member State of residence for up to 5 years without losing their right to return.

EU27 Member States may require UK nationals and their family members covered by the agreement to apply for a residency document or status conferring the right of residence.

Administrative procedures for such applications will be transparent, smooth and streamlined.

Where an application is required to obtain status, UK nationals will have until at least 6 months after the end of the Implementation Period to submit their applications.

Residence documents will be issued free of charge or for a charge not exceeding that imposed on nationals for the issuing of similar documents (such as passports).

UK nationals who, before the end of the Implementation Period, are holders of a valid permanent residence document or a valid domestic immigration document conferring a permanent right to reside, will be able to exchange that document for a new residence document free of charge. They may be required to provide proof of identity and undergo criminality and security checks.

My comments:

'lawfully residing' - I'm glad they've kept this. Hopefully it will weed out those who've never bothered getting residencia.

'Administrative procedures for such applications will be transparent, smooth and streamlined.' - Smooth and streamlined??? In Spain!!!

'exchange that document for a new residence document' - Can you imagine the bun-fights at the police stations when we all go to get our new residencias?

hello Brian,

It as not a sweeping statement,it was in The Daily Mail a few weeks ago.