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dinnerout

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:55am

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Longjohn wrote on Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:47am:

Hi, I'm assuming that travel to the airport would be within the scope of the exceptions. We're confirmed on an Easyjet rescue flight which is actually the same flight that we were booked on. I just had the privilege of setting the alarm at 1AM to rebook from our cancelled scheduled flight to the ...

...same flight rebranded as a rescue flight.... and my wife and i are now sitting apart. I recognise that this is consequential with what families who have lost loved ones have gone through, but i thought it worth a share. 

Hi John, yes the decree specifically states that travel is permitted in order to return to normal place of residence. Safe flight!

Steve

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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:17pm

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jimtaylor wrote on Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:05am:

That's an excellent, and thoughtful, suggestion Alex.

Margaret (81 and cancer) and myself (74 and ischaemia) are well in the risk group. With a nearly empty freezer we'll have to go shopping. Normally we'd go early when it's quiet, but I'd guess that this next couple of weeks everyone will be going early whilst there's a chance of finding shelves wi...

...th stock on them.

As suggested, hopefully one of the many people you have assisted with advice will be kind enough to offer to help. In the meantime, perhaps it would be safer for Margaret to stay home for a while and let you go solo 😏. Hope you’re better at it than my beloved. Stay safe everyone and let’s be kind to each other. Harsh words won’t help us get through this

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:07am

Buffolobill wrote on Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:19am:

The UK media are at it again. Spain has not declared a State of Emergency but has declared a State of Alarm which is one one step down from an emergency & two steps down from the ultimate State of Siege. I have read the statement that the PM gave ( in Spanish of course) and it definitely stat...

...es 'ALARM' not emergency.

Can you clarify the ruling in Orihuela Costa about driving for shopping. Is it illegal for two people to travel or not?

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:50am

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The law says:

Article 7. Limitation of the freedom of movement of people.

1. During the validity of the state of alarm, people may only drive along the roads for public use for the following activities:

a) Acquisition of food, pharmaceuticals and basic necessities.

b) Assistance to health centres, services and establishments.

c) Travel to the workplace to carry out their work, professional or business provision.

d) Return to the place of habitual residence.

e) Assistance and care for the elderly, minors, dependants, people with disabilities or especially vulnerable people.

f) Displacement to financial and insurance entities.

g) Due to force majeure or need.

h) Any other activity of a similar nature that must be done individually, unless accompanied by people with disabilities or for other justified cause.

2. Likewise, private vehicles will be allowed to circulate along public use roads to carry out the activities referred to in the previous section or to refuel at gas stations or service stations.

3. In any case, in any displacement the recommendations and obligations dictated by the health authorities must be respected.

4. The Minister of the Interior may decide to close the circulation of roads or sections of them for reasons of public health, traffic safety or fluidity or the restriction in them of the access of certain vehicles for the same reasons.

When the measures referred to in the preceding paragraphs are adopted ex officio, the regional administrations that exercise powers to execute the State legislation on traffic, vehicle circulation and road safety will be previously informed.

The state, regional and local authorities competent in matters of traffic, vehicle circulation and road safety will guarantee the dissemination among the population of the measures that may affect road traffic.

It therefore depends on how the authorities choose to interpret the preamble to clause 1.

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:15am

jimtaylor wrote on Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:50am:

The law says:

Article 7. Limitation of the freedom of movement of people.

1. During the validity of the state of alarm, people may only drive along the roads for public use for the following activities:

a) Acquisition of food, pharmaceuticals and basic necessities.

b) Assistance to health centres, services and establishments.

c) Travel to the workplace to carry out their work, professional or business provision.

d) Return to the place of habitual residence.

e) Assistance and care for the elderly, minors, dependants, people with disabilities or especially vulnerable people.

f) Displacement to financial and insurance entities.

g) Due to force majeure or need.

h) Any other activity of a similar nature that must be done individually, unless accompanied by people with disabilities or for other justified cause.

2. Likewise, private vehicles will be allowed to circulate along public use roads to carry out the activities referred to in the previous section or to refuel at gas stations or service stations.

3. In any case, in any displacement the recommendations and obligations dictated by the health authorities must be respected.

4. The Minister of the Interior may decide to close the circulation of roads or sections of them for reasons of public health, traffic safety or fluidity or the restriction in them of the access of certain vehicles for the same reasons.

When the measures referred to in the preceding paragraphs are adopted ex officio, the regional administrations that exercise powers to execute the State legislation on traffic, vehicle circulation and road safety will be previously informed.

The state, regional and local authorities competent in matters of traffic, vehicle circulation and road safety will guarantee the dissemination among the population of the measures that may affect road traffic.

It therefore depends on how the authorities choose to interpret the preamble to clause 1.

Your last paragraph sadly means we don't know then. Thank you for your reply though.

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:24am

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:24am

Can anyone assist with this? At Aldi in Aspe, on Monday morning the police arrived, spoke to the manager, and then stationed outside, advising all coming and going that only 1 person per trolley/basket is allowed to shop. It appeared that some people knew, as they assisted where translation was needed, but most did not seem to know, across all nationalities that we heard. Is this a local rule or as the prime minister claims, all the country is under the same rules?

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:33am

TrishandPaul wrote on Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:24am:

Can anyone assist with this? At Aldi in Aspe, on Monday morning the police arrived, spoke to the manager, and then stationed outside, advising all coming and going that only 1 person per trolley/basket is allowed to shop. It appeared that some people knew, as they assisted where translation was n...

...eeded, but most did not seem to know, across all nationalities that we heard. Is this a local rule or as the prime minister claims, all the country is under the same rules?

The Guardia Civil have taken this measure themselves apparently 🤔😕

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:37am

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:37am

TrishandPaul wrote on Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:24am:

Can anyone assist with this? At Aldi in Aspe, on Monday morning the police arrived, spoke to the manager, and then stationed outside, advising all coming and going that only 1 person per trolley/basket is allowed to shop. It appeared that some people knew, as they assisted where translation was n...

...eeded, but most did not seem to know, across all nationalities that we heard. Is this a local rule or as the prime minister claims, all the country is under the same rules?

If only one person goes in per trolley that is because the whole object of such strict measures is to REDUCE the amount of people together in one place.

Less people to spread infection.

Try to understand why.   It doesn’t really matter who decides what. 

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:57am

MeathMaria wrote on Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:37am:

If only one person goes in per trolley that is because the whole object of such strict measures is to REDUCE the amount of people together in one place.

Less people to spread infection.

Try to understand why.   It doesn’t really matter who decides what. 

I do understand and support controls but my question was clarity of what they are. 

It was also about driving to the shops not the trolley.

I am the only driver and it seems I must therefore do the shopping or my partner walks there and back.

I'm happy to do the shopping but if they lock down over 70s I can't even do that.

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:17am

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:17am

Allank wrote on Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:57am:

I do understand and support controls but my question was clarity of what they are. 

It was also about driving to the shops not the trolley.

I am the only driver and it seems I must therefore do the shopping or my partner walks there and back.

I'm happy to do the shopping but if they lock down over 70s I can't even do that.

Hello Allan,

Was answering the other post about trolleys and how many people at a time.

If you are in Spain they haven’t said anything about locking in over 70s

So do best you can to get essentials in and stay your distance from others.

All very very difficult at moment.

You can post here if you need assistance.  
Someone would probably help to get some shopping done for you.

Stay well

Kind Regards

Maria

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