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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:45pm
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jimtaylor

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I'm posting this in the Taxes forum, because I personally will use it mainly for doing our tax returns, although I will also use it on both the DGT and SUMA websites, and possibly the Cadastral website. There is another way of doing tax returns, and I expect to post on that shortly.

"An Electronic Certificate is a set of data enabling identification of the holder of the certificate, secure exchange of information with other persons and institutions, and electronic signing of data sent in such a way as to enable verification of its integrity and origin". In other words, it enables you to do things online for which you would otherwise have to make a personal appearance. It costs nothing, so can save you both time and expense.

We originally had certificates we obtained from the Ministry of Finance, and renewed these once online, then found that the second renewal would require going to Orihuela, and possibly doing major configuration changes in our browsers. I looked around for an easier option, and settled on certificates issued by the Valencian government.

For all the certification authorities I've looked at, none offer the option to use Google Chrome to get them - they're all set up to be done with Internet Explorer (does anyone use that these days?) or Firefox.

The length of the following may appear off-putting, but just follow my instructions and it should be easy. It's written for Microsoft Windows, not Apple, Android, etc.

When you're ready to do the deed, go to:

https://www.accv.es/ciudadanos/puntos-de-registro-de-usuario/

Look at the map. You can use the cursor keys to centre your location on the map and then enlarge it. You can then hover over the blobs to see where they are, and click on a blob to get details of where to go. Alternatively, you can enter the name of e.g. your nearest town in the Nombre del PRU box and click on ok. Doing this, I found that the nearest to me were Rafal town hall, or Callosa del Segura town hall or the SUMA office there - much easier than trying to park in Orihuela and having to join the madding throng in Agencia Tributaria. If you then click on the option you prefer, it gives you details of where it is and what their hours are. I opted for Rafal, and checked on the town hall website to see if I needed an appointment, but this wasn't necessary.

Margaret and I then went to Rafal this morning with our residencias (NIEs would do as well, as would a Spanish driving license) and passports. The gentleman we saw verified our identity, and took details of our NIE numbers, address, telephone number and email address. After a few minutes he printed off 'Contratos de certificación' which included the 25-digit codes which we would need to get the electronic certificates. I was impressed that he was so pleasant and helpful, and he also volunteered a lot of good information. Then on returning home, I found we'd received confirmation emails from ACCV, including the link for the next step.

Before I go into details about that, there are other certificates that work with your personal certificate that need to be on your computer. These don't need you to jump through any hoops, it's a simple matter of downloading them. Open Firefox and go to:

https://www.accv.es/ayuda/descargar-certificados-digitales/

Click on Cert Autoridad Certificación Raíz: ACCV Raíz 1….

Tick the three options and click on OK.

If you already have this installed you'll be told that the certificate is already installed, in which case just click OK to close the notification.

Repeat this operation for the ACCVCA-120 (Nueva Jerarquia) and ACCVCA-110 (Nueva Jerarquia) certificates.

If you wish, check that these ACCV certificates have been correctly installed. In Firefox, go to Tools, Options, Privacy & Security, Certificates, and click on the View certificates button. In Certificate Manager, click on the Authorities tab and you will see the certificates there. Click OK to close the Certificate Manager.

Now to get your personal certificates. Go to:

https://genera.accv.es/apsc/frontal/index.htm

Enter your NIE number, the 25-digit code I referred to above (it's case-sensitive), and the CAPTCHA, then click on Autenticar código. Be careful - you only get three attempts.

On the next screen click on Generar certificados.

In the pop-up box, enter your choice of a PIN/password with from 10 to 20 characters. It must contain both letters and numbers, and it's advisable to also include some special characters. I strongly advise you to first write this down before entering it. Just a suggestion - you could use your surname followed by your date of birth including forward slashes. Enter it twice and then click on Continuar.

On the next screen click on Descargar.

In the pop-up, make sure that Save File is selected, then click OK (it's a .p12 file with your NIE and name at its file name).

Save it to wherever you want.

Congratulations! You're now the proud owner of an electronic certificate.

What you have to do next is install it. Go to wherever you saved it and click on it.

The Certificate Import Wizard opens - click Next, then Next again.

In the next screen enter your PIN/password and click Next.

You then have the choice of letting Windows decide where to put it, or making that selection yourself.

I allowed Windows to choose, and clicked Next, then clicked Finish.

You're then told that the import was successful.

I then did the same for Margaret's certificate.

Although you downloaded the certificate using Firefox, it will be installed only in your default browser.

In my case, that's Google Chrome.

In Chrome, click the three dots Customise icon at the top right, click Settings, scroll down to the bottom and click Advanced, in Privacy & security click Manage certificates, in the pop-up, select the Personal tab, and lo and behold, there they are.

You can if you wish install the certificate in other browsers, on other computers, or on an Android mobile (I assume you could put it on other mobiles, but I've no way of testing this.

You no doubt want to test it, so go to:

https://sede.dgt.gob.es/es/tramites-y-multas/permiso-por-puntos/consulta-de-puntos/index.shtml

Click on Consulta de Puntos Con Certificado.

You get a window allowing you to select which certificate to use if you've more than one.

You then see how many points you've got on your driving license.

I advise you to save at least one backup copy of your certificate on another computer, hard-drive, flash drive etc.

Having the certificate installed will make it easy to do your tax returns. The alternative I'll be posting about will involve more pratting about.

If anyone does get personal certificates, I'd be grateful if they'd post back in this thread regarding how they got on.


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Posted: Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:02pm

Wow!  Thanks Jim!  And you know what I'm like about the use and over-use of exclamation marks  :o)  Great job, I'll give it a go and let you know how I get on......  Kxx

jimtaylor

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Posted: Sun Mar 4, 2018 4:58am

Hi Kim

I won't know for sure until Agencia Tributaria go live on 2017 returns, but I do know they've dropped the easy way to get into their system to do returns - possibly because it wasn't very secure. So far I'm only seeing mention of electronic certificates and another system called [email protected]

For several days now I've been working on the [email protected] system, and getting very frustrated. I'm waiting for both Margaret and a friend to receive letters from Agencia Tributaria so I can (hopefully) finish finding out about the system. If all goes well, then I'll do a post about it.

The conclusion I've already come to is that electronic certificates are a lot easier to obtain and to use, so please let me know how you get on.

stanpr

Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:42am

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:42am

jimtaylor wrote on Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:45pm:

I'm posting this in the Taxes forum, because I personally will use it mainly for doing our tax returns, although I will also use it on both the DGT and SUMA websites, and possibly the Cadastral website. There is another way of doing tax returns, and I expect to post on that shortly.

"An Electronic Certificate is a set of data enabling identification of the holder of the certificate, secure exchange of information with other persons and institutions, and electronic signing of data sent in such a way as to enable verification of its integrity and origin". In other words, it enables you to do things online for which you would otherwise have to make a personal appearance. It costs nothing, so can save you both time and expense.

We originally had certificates we obtained from the Ministry of Finance, and renewed these once online, then found that the second renewal would require going to Orihuela, and possibly doing major configuration changes in our browsers. I looked around for an easier option, and settled on certificates issued by the Valencian government.

For all the certification authorities I've looked at, none offer the option to use Google Chrome to get them - they're all set up to be done with Internet Explorer (does anyone use that these days?) or Firefox.

The length of the following may appear off-putting, but just follow my instructions and it should be easy. It's written for Microsoft Windows, not Apple, Android, etc.

When you're ready to do the deed, go to:

https://www.accv.es/ciudadanos/puntos-de-registro-de-usuario/

Look at the map. You can use the cursor keys to centre your location on the map and then enlarge it. You can then hover over the blobs to see where they are, and click on a blob to get details of where to go. Alternatively, you can enter the name of e.g. your nearest town in the Nombre del PRU box and click on ok. Doing this, I found that the nearest to me were Rafal town hall, or Callosa del Segura town hall or the SUMA office there - much easier than trying to park in Orihuela and having to join the madding throng in Agencia Tributaria. If you then click on the option you prefer, it gives you details of where it is and what their hours are. I opted for Rafal, and checked on the town hall website to see if I needed an appointment, but this wasn't necessary.

Margaret and I then went to Rafal this morning with our residencias (NIEs would do as well, as would a Spanish driving license) and passports. The gentleman we saw verified our identity, and took details of our NIE numbers, address, telephone number and email address. After a few minutes he printed off 'Contratos de certificación' which included the 25-digit codes which we would need to get the electronic certificates. I was impressed that he was so pleasant and helpful, and he also volunteered a lot of good information. Then on returning home, I found we'd received confirmation emails from ACCV, including the link for the next step.

Before I go into details about that, there are other certificates that work with your personal certificate that need to be on your computer. These don't need you to jump through any hoops, it's a simple matter of downloading them. Open Firefox and go to:

https://www.accv.es/ayuda/descargar-certificados-digitales/

Click on Cert Autoridad Certificación Raíz: ACCV Raíz 1….

Tick the three options and click on OK.

If you already have this installed you'll be told that the certificate is already installed, in which case just click OK to close the notification.

Repeat this operation for the ACCVCA-120 (Nueva Jerarquia) and ACCVCA-110 (Nueva Jerarquia) certificates.

If you wish, check that these ACCV certificates have been correctly installed. In Firefox, go to Tools, Options, Privacy & Security, Certificates, and click on the View certificates button. In Certificate Manager, click on the Authorities tab and you will see the certificates there. Click OK to close the Certificate Manager.

Now to get your personal certificates. Go to:

https://genera.accv.es/apsc/frontal/index.htm

Enter your NIE number, the 25-digit code I referred to above (it's case-sensitive), and the CAPTCHA, then click on Autenticar código. Be careful - you only get three attempts.

On the next screen click on Generar certificados.

In the pop-up box, enter your choice of a PIN/password with from 10 to 20 characters. It must contain both letters and numbers, and it's advisable to also include some special characters. I strongly advise you to first write this down before entering it. Just a suggestion - you could use your surname followed by your date of birth including forward slashes. Enter it twice and then click on Continuar.

On the next screen click on Descargar.

In the pop-up, make sure that Save File is selected, then click OK (it's a .p12 file with your NIE and name at its file name).

Save it to wherever you want.

Congratulations! You're now the proud owner of an electronic certificate.

What you have to do next is install it. Go to wherever you saved it and click on it.

The Certificate Import Wizard opens - click Next, then Next again.

In the next screen enter your PIN/password and click Next.

You then have the choice of letting Windows decide where to put it, or making that selection yourself.

I allowed Windows to choose, and clicked Next, then clicked Finish.

You're then told that the import was successful.

I then did the same for Margaret's certificate.

Although you downloaded the certificate using Firefox, it will be installed only in your default browser.

In my case, that's Google Chrome.

In Chrome, click the three dots Customise icon at the top right, click Settings, scroll down to the bottom and click Advanced, in Privacy & security click Manage certificates, in the pop-up, select the Personal tab, and lo and behold, there they are.

You can if you wish install the certificate in other browsers, on other computers, or on an Android mobile (I assume you could put it on other mobiles, but I've no way of testing this.

You no doubt want to test it, so go to:

https://sede.dgt.gob.es/es/tramites-y-multas/permiso-por-puntos/consulta-de-puntos/index.shtml

Click on Consulta de Puntos Con Certificado.

You get a window allowing you to select which certificate to use if you've more than one.

You then see how many points you've got on your driving license.

I advise you to save at least one backup copy of your certificate on another computer, hard-drive, flash drive etc.

Having the certificate installed will make it easy to do your tax returns. The alternative I'll be posting about will involve more pratting about.

If anyone does get personal certificates, I'd be grateful if they'd post back in this thread regarding how they got on.


I'm sorry - I opened this https://www.accv.es/ciudadanos/puntos-de-registro-de-usuario/ but I couldn't see any map...


Anyway - can you do verify your certificate in SUMA office too? I thought it had to be one of these: 



 

jimtaylor

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:13pm

I see a map on my computer. If you're looking at the site on a mobile device, then I don't know.

In the area around Villamartin, the choices are:

Torrevieja town hall:

C/Bazán, 4. 03180.

Lunes a viernes: De 09:00 a 14:00 h.

Torrevieja SUMA:

C/ PATRICIO PÉREZ, 20 BAJO-B. 03180.

Lunes a viernes: De 8.30 a 10:00 h

Torrevieja SUMA:

C/ SAN PABLO 4 y 8. 03180.

Lunes a viernes: De 8.30 a 10:00 h

Torrevieja SUMA La Mata:

LA MATA.

C/ MAYOR, 6. 03188.

Lunes a viernes: De 8.30 a 10:00 h

San Miguel de Salinas town hall:

C/ 19 de abril, 36. 03193.

Lunes a viernes: De 09:00 a 14:00 h.

Pilar de la Horadada town hall:

Plaza Campoamor, 2. 03190.

Lunes a viernes: De 09:00 a 14:00 h.

Pilar de la Horadada SUMA:

C/ REYES CATÓLICOS, S/N. 03190.

Lunes a viernes: De 8.30 a 10:00 h

stanpr

Tue May 1, 2018 1:07am

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Posted: Tue May 1, 2018 1:07am

Hello. Thank you for your replay. I am opening that on my PC.

Anyway - I got electronic offices from some other link. But that doesn't say anything about SUMA offices. So can you really confirm the number you generate on your computer at SUMA Tax office? Yes, I know that one in La Mata, it is close to me. That would be great if I could do that there. Especially as they speak English there...

jimtaylor

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Posted: Tue May 1, 2018 4:56am

It sounds like you're trying to get electronic certificates from FNMT i.e. the Ministry of Finance, rather than the Valencian ones my post refers to.

If that's the case, then you will have to go to Agencia Tributaria to prove your ID.

stanpr

Mon May 7, 2018 10:04pm

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Posted: Mon May 7, 2018 10:04pm

Are they different?

I am not trying anything yet - I just need anything (whatever it is) that helps me to pay my taxes in civilized way...

jimtaylor

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Posted: Tue May 8, 2018 5:39am

There are a lot of certificate authorities from whom you can get electronic certificates, but they aren't all usable on sites like SUMA, Agencia Tributaria, etc.

To be blunt, why prat about looking at other options; just follow my instructions.

stanpr

Wed May 9, 2018 10:43am

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Posted: Wed May 9, 2018 10:43am

Seems to be little bit complicated... Yes, I know, it is no your fault, you haven't created the system.

On the other side, soomebody told me he had gone to Agencia Tributaria without doing anything else before and they organized it for him...

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