Brexit: Ever had the feeling you've been conned?

I'm afraid that after Dec 31st. for many with pre-existing health conditions the very concept of holidaying in Spain will be a thing of the past.

Morning RayD

Correction. It’s what only just over 50% voted for. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer the consequences. There’s no way out for the Brits who voted remain

Why do I get the feeling that you and Movingon are taking some pleasure here?

The vote was exactly that - exit, however there are many, many Brits who are very unhappy at the prospect. I’d further put it out there that the majority, not all, of the forum members who can’t apply for residency are more than unhappy

Perhaps spare a thought for them🤪🥂

First, my apologies to Movingon, I should have said dinnerout.

Well Ray, you won’t be rowing with me😘

I would never dispute what you say re the vitriol, but I find it puzzling to say the least that people who voted leave can’t just be happy they we’re successful and leave it at that 🤪🥂

I'm not taking any pleasure from the situation. I don't wish ill on the UK, but it's a disaster for the UK. I still hold a UK passport, have many relatives and friends there who regrettably are going to have to live with the decision to leave the EU.

Hi Steve,

I read The Independent's assessment this morning, but decided against posting it for the very reason RayD has described.  

Sadly, my 92 year old father and his 77 year old wife will be the first 'casualties' in my circle of the new post-Brexit requirements.  They won't be able to visit us in Spain again, as Dad won't stand a chance of getting travel insurance at his age.  Ironically, they both voted for Brexit 😔

Kind regards, 

Kim

Personally I believe everyone can have an opinion and have the right to express theirs. Sadly in today's society, it is very easy to alienate yourself with one comment that another may take offence at, remembering it is not how things are said but how they are taken, this is where the 'offensive' element is measured.

So, like with so many topics, Brexit is and always will be a contentious one.

I feel there were both political and personality votes that took place at the time of the referendum, as well as the vote being fuelled by the idea of closing the borders to terrorists, ie sold on fear. There are likely to be both positives and negatives in the long term for the implementation of the departure, and whilst I am not in agreement with leaving the union, it is what democracy chose so, therefore, that's what must be delivered by the current government.

What I am really not in favour of, and what I thought parliament actually voted against and made a law, was that we should avoid a no-deal exit.

Just my thoughts :o)

If you are lucky enough to get residency in Spain before the end of 2020, what will you lose from the UK ie healthcare when travelling there, the right to stay there for more than 90 days, pension rises, benefits, sheltered housing etc?

"Correction. It’s what only just over 50% voted for"

Correction. It's what around 30% of the population voted for. About the same voted remain and same again didn't vote. Yes, I'm being pedantic, but it's worth mentioning that from time to time. And, before anyone says it... No, the 30% who didn't vote DO MATTER. That they didn't vote, or that their vote didn't count, does not make them irrelevant. Plus of course, you also have the scores of people who were too young to vote in 2016 but now as adults have to deal with the train wreck that is BREXIT.

But, back on topic: Were those who voted leave conned? For an awful lot, almost definitely yes. Some knew what they were voting for. Some voted for financial reasons. Some for a nationalist reason and many of these won't feel conned as they never believed the nonsense the leave campaigns spouted. But the vast majority did listen and believed the bulls**t,  and they have been sold out 100%.

Scarily, many of the same still believed it in last years general election. Johnson made the GE about one thing: BREXIT. And he completely lied, as usual. "Oven ready Deal". Where is that deal now? It was never oven-ready, it was still alive and running around the chicken pen. And Johnson and his yes-men have given up trying to catch it. So that oven-ready meal is now some Tescos own brand baked beans on some toasted stale bread. Yum.

BREXIT is going to go-down as the single biggest act of self-harm a country and it's people have ever inflicted on itself, for absolutely no reason whatsoever, other than a few jingoistic punchlines.

There was a mild chance things were not going to go utterly tits-up, economically speaking, as there was a chance that many businesses had gotten themselves into a position where they could cope with the shock BREXIT was going to cause, and so save a lot of jobs. But Covid-19 ruined that. Something like 80% of businesses are now saying they will not cope post BREXIT. The fact that four years on there is still no guidance as to what the trading partnership will look like is bad enough, but at least most had stockpiles of cash and stock. Not now. That's all gone. 

And yet Boris and his band of "yes-men" refuse to do the sensible thing (extend) and are marching ever faster and faster towards the cliff. Anyone at this point who can not see that is insane is either terminally stupid or far too easily influenced by those very few individuals who will gain from this mess.

I've never said which way I voted, and never will. I'm not a fan of the EU, I can see how the UK changing it's relationship with it can be a good thing, but BREXIT as we now know it is insane and serves no purpose, other than to make some rich people richer.

On a personal note, by late 2016 it was obvious where this was heading, so I made changes to everything in my life so that me and my family won't be affected, much. It's been painful and expensive, but it means my girls will get to live, travel and work all over Europe, as I did in my youth. And our plan to relocate to Spain in a few years is still on. I feel desperately sorry for those who by a quirk of birth don't get this luxury, sadly you are stuck on what will soon be the dumping ground of the financial world (and god-knows-what else), where the cost of living will skyrocket, jobs will hard to come by and if you are lucky enough to have one your employee rights will be non-existent. 

Rule Britannia! Ya, right.

I believe this is from today's Sunday Times, who back Brexit.