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Life in Spain post Brexit

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:04pm
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Trucker2lawyer

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I think there can be little doubt that life in Spain is going to change post Brexit.... not entirely Spain's decision / fault ..because it as an EU state member must always take its orders via the various non elected bodies that steer Europe. 

No stranger to Spain and with over thirty years experience of travelling in & out I know that Spain was never a stranger to legal "Red" tape & bureaucracy but none of that was ever really a problem prior to Brexit so long as money kept flowing over their border.

Covid /Pandemic & Brexit have not helped the situation for any of us but with such a lack of direction and uncertainty for the future combined with the potential for future evidential  income ..Enforcement of legal residency etc..I see a very slippery path on the horizon ...

Attempts to get a degree of clarity from legal professionals & Journalists here in Spain has yielded nothing but silence or denial... add to the mix the lockdown ..inability to travel ..empty bars & restaurants...you begin asking yourself why am I here and just how long can businesses survive ?

I may be very..very wrong but only time will tell if the over inflated price of property in a nation of record repossessions was a sound investment and in the fullness of time a culture of them and us begins to develop...

Kimmy11

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:15pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:15pm

"not entirely Spain's decision / fault .."  ??

Not at all Spain's fault, nor the EU's - the UK voted for Brexit.

Paolo51

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:48pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:48pm

I believe houses in Spain have never been a sound investment as such ie buy it then sell it at a good profit 5 years later. It is a result to get out what you put into it upon re selling it as far as I can see.
Anyone who pays asking prices in Spain is a bit naive in my opinion, property is over priced to sell for a more realistic price. Once bought you then start making into a proper home with the money you thought you had saved.

I could not live in this country ‘under the radar’ as it where which I think a lot of UK ex pats have been doing and they are now scrambling to become legal, I did not live outside the rules in the UK and I wouldn’t do it here.

Some brexiteers with holiday homes throughout Europe are now realising what they voted for and how much harder it is for them to just come and go as they please.

elinspain

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:50pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:50pm

Hello

I hope to  never think "why am I here" but just looking/listening to life in the UK of late, it does explain somewhat... "why I'm not there"

Elinspain

Paolo51

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:55pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:55pm

^^ Fully agree with this.

Trucker2lawyer

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:07pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:07pm

Paolo51 wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:48pm:

I believe houses in Spain have never been a sound investment as such ie buy it then sell it at a good profit 5 years later. It is a result to get out what you put into it upon re selling it as far as I can see.
Anyone who pays asking prices in Spain is a bit naive in my opinion, property is ov...

...er priced to sell for a more realistic price. Once bought you then start making into a proper home with the money you thought you had saved.

I could not live in this country ‘under the radar’ as it where which I think a lot of UK ex pats have been doing and they are now scrambling to become legal, I did not live outside the rules in the UK and I wouldn’t do it here.

Some brexiteers with holiday homes throughout Europe are now realising what they voted for and how much harder it is for them to just come and go as they please.

Paolo51

Well said ..someone who fully understands what I am getting at....how many people actually understand law or European law...EU law is always open to interpretation...the only clarity in law is the Magna Carta... and they are trying to rewrite that...

History is the best recorded record of events...Britain's decision to Brexit was never the ordinary man's choice (though he might think so) much more powerful forces made that decision...why then ? The reasons are many but not least the fact that the decision makers seek a return to a Feudal system combined with the reality that the power of Westminster was gradually slipping away and many MPs that would soon be looking for new jobs.

Trucker2lawyer

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:10pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:10pm

elinspain wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:50pm:

Hello

I hope to  never think "why am I here" but just looking/listening to life in the UK of late, it does explain somewhat... "why I'm not there"

Elinspain

Very true...but we only know what we are told...

Pix Elated

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:26pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:26pm

Trucker2lawyer wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:04pm:

I think there can be little doubt that life in Spain is going to change post Brexit.... not entirely Spain's decision / fault ..because it as an EU state member must always take its orders via the various non elected bodies that steer Europe. 

No stranger to Spain and with over thirty years experience of travelling in & out I know that Spain was never a stranger to legal "Red" tape & bureaucracy but none of that was ever really a problem prior to Brexit so long as money kept flowing over their border....

...

Covid /Pandemic & Brexit have not helped the situation for any of us but with such a lack of direction and uncertainty for the future combined with the potential for future evidential  income ..Enforcement of legal residency etc..I see a very slippery path on the horizon ...

Attempts to get a degree of clarity from legal professionals & Journalists here in Spain has yielded nothing but silence or denial... add to the mix the lockdown ..inability to travel ..empty bars & restaurants...you begin asking yourself why am I here and just how long can businesses survive ?

I may be very..very wrong but only time will tell if the over inflated price of property in a nation of record repossessions was a sound investment and in the fullness of time a culture of them and us begins to develop...

We are both fully legal, but have got a tough decision do we stay in Spain with its can't do attitude or do we cut our losses and ship out?

I really don't like what Spain has become in the 5 years we have lived here even the weather is taking a turn for the worse, bureaucracy is out of control, things that could be done simply online take numerous visits to offices here, there and everywhere, not to mention the reams and reams of paperwork involved.

Spain had drifted rudderless without a single political party that has a working majority, having to cobble together a government from odds and bobs from other parties this is no way to run a country. Dark clouds are on the horizon but there does not seem to be the political will to do anything about it, it has been easy to simply rely on tourists to boost the economy now that cash tap is being turned off the Government don't seem to have a clue what it's going to do, that is painfully obvious from the proposed 2021 budget, with all its increases nothing innovative which comes as no surprise.

craig245t

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:27pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:27pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:15pm:

"not entirely Spain's decision / fault .."  ??

Not at all Spain's fault, nor the EU's - the UK voted for Brexit.

Agreed....... Not Spains fault at all. Its what the majority of Brits voted for 😭

Also I thought it was well known that you don't buy in Spain as an investment, the property market operates differently in Spain compared to the UK.

We bought 3 years ago with Brexit on the cards and we have no regrets. Covid a nightmare but it will pass. 90 days in 180 works for us, the day it doesn't we'll sell or become residents. 

Lancelot

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:33pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:33pm

People have to live somewhere. Houses/ property can be an investment but they are also necessary given we all need somewhere to live.

I'd agree that it is more difficult for us British to buy into Spain since leaving the EU. That is likely to be a drag on certain regions in Spain given they are UK enclaves.

The Spanish property market could benefit from reform even without the UK leaving the EU, if they reduced the costs to transact on property my view is that activity would pick up and the market might start to turnover stock and improve population mobility.

The emerging need to get military approval for UK buyers seems positively insane and will provide another reason not to buy.

On the plus side it's; mostly warm, the people are friendly and property, for us, is far cheaper than in the UK :)

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