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Lancelot

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:39pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:39pm

Pix Elated wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:26pm:

We are both fully legal, but have got a tough decision do we stay in Spain with its can't do attitude or do we cut our losses and ship out?

I really don't like what Spain has become in the 5 years we have lived here even the weather is taking a turn for the worse, bureaucracy is out of control, things that could be done simply online take numerous visits to offices here, there and everywhere, not to mention the reams and reams of pap...

...erwork involved.

Spain had drifted rudderless without a single political party that has a working majority, having to cobble together a government from odds and bobs from other parties this is no way to run a country. Dark clouds are on the horizon but there does not seem to be the political will to do anything about it, it has been easy to simply rely on tourists to boost the economy now that cash tap is being turned off the Government don't seem to have a clue what it's going to do, that is painfully obvious from the proposed 2021 budget, with all its increases nothing innovative which comes as no surprise.

Agreed, on bits of that, the lack of a working majority seriously limits what governing parties can achieve, throw in the shackles of EU monetary union rules and the straight jacket becomes even tighter.

Then again we are guests here it's not our country and what the Spanish want is their concern. We can reside & observe or leave :)

Trucker2lawyer

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:43pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:43pm

Lancelot wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:33pm:

People have to live somewhere. Houses/ property can be an investment but they are also necessary given we all need somewhere to live.

I'd agree that it is more difficult for us British to buy into Spain since leaving the EU. That is likely to be a drag on certain regions in Spain given they are UK enclaves....

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The Spanish property market could benefit from reform even without the UK leaving the EU, if they reduced the costs to transact on property my view is that activity would pick up and the market might start to turnover stock and improve population mobility.

The emerging need to get military approval for UK buyers seems positively insane and will provide another reason not to buy.

On the plus side it's; mostly warm, the people are friendly and property, for us, is far cheaper than in the UK :)

Very..very true ...the rigidity that currently exists to buy property in Spain is akin to meeting the necessary thirty points required for Australia..US etc..  I read it earlier on the European News website that the current & impending criteria required for prospective buyers in Spain would potentially exempt certain buyers ( because of the income guarantee) but would attract young buyers who work in a well paid environment like IT and in the current situation from home.

RobertBB

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:49pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:49pm

craig245t wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:27pm:

Agreed....... Not Spains fault at all. Its what the majority of Brits voted for 😭

Also I thought it was well known that you don't buy in Spain as an investment, the property market operates differently in Spain compared to the UK.

We bought 3 years ago with Brexit on the cards and we have no regrets. Covid a nightmare but it will pass. 90 days in 180 works for us, the day it doesn't we'll sell or become residents. 

craig, well said.

The original post highlights quite a few interesting questions and i am sure many Brits in Spain have a difficult choice to make.

Lancelot

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03pm

Trucker2lawyer wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:43pm:

Very..very true ...the rigidity that currently exists to buy property in Spain is akin to meeting the necessary thirty points required for Australia..US etc..  I read it earlier on the European News website that the current & impending criteria required for prospective buyers in Spain wo...

...uld potentially exempt certain buyers ( because of the income guarantee) but would attract young buyers who work in a well paid environment like IT and in the current situation from home.

Do you have a link to that article please? I'd like read it.

Trucker2lawyer

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03pm

Pix Elated wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:26pm:

We are both fully legal, but have got a tough decision do we stay in Spain with its can't do attitude or do we cut our losses and ship out?

I really don't like what Spain has become in the 5 years we have lived here even the weather is taking a turn for the worse, bureaucracy is out of control, things that could be done simply online take numerous visits to offices here, there and everywhere, not to mention the reams and reams of pap...

...erwork involved.

Spain had drifted rudderless without a single political party that has a working majority, having to cobble together a government from odds and bobs from other parties this is no way to run a country. Dark clouds are on the horizon but there does not seem to be the political will to do anything about it, it has been easy to simply rely on tourists to boost the economy now that cash tap is being turned off the Government don't seem to have a clue what it's going to do, that is painfully obvious from the proposed 2021 budget, with all its increases nothing innovative which comes as no surprise.

Pix Elated...you identify many true statements in your response...correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is that the main providers to the Spainsh economy is the North of Spain...a Catalonia that made attempts two years ago to separate itself from Europe and Southern Spain with its leaders currently hauled up in Holland to avoid jail.. my work has taken me across many countries in Europe including many former Communist countries and what I am seeing unravelling in Spain at the moment is not good....

I do not suppose  for one moment that your average citizen in Espana wants to close the door on the numerous cafes & bars that are currently close to closure because of Covid add a feeling of isolation of a people who may start to feel like second class citizens and it's a cocktail for disaster ....

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Trucker2lawyer

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:10pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:10pm

I will find it and send you the link ..I am sure I read it as an article on the Euro News Torrevieja 

Paolo51

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:23pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:23pm

Spain has it’s down side for sure a very frustrating country sometimes but bear in mind you cannot just go and buy a house in the Channel Islands and the UK has Scotland wanting to still be in the EU and be independent.

The UK is not nirvana and never has been but some view it as that because it’s familiar ground.

Peterholiday

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:24pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:24pm

Pix Elated wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:26pm:

We are both fully legal, but have got a tough decision do we stay in Spain with its can't do attitude or do we cut our losses and ship out?

I really don't like what Spain has become in the 5 years we have lived here even the weather is taking a turn for the worse, bureaucracy is out of control, things that could be done simply online take numerous visits to offices here, there and everywhere, not to mention the reams and reams of pap...

...erwork involved.

Spain had drifted rudderless without a single political party that has a working majority, having to cobble together a government from odds and bobs from other parties this is no way to run a country. Dark clouds are on the horizon but there does not seem to be the political will to do anything about it, it has been easy to simply rely on tourists to boost the economy now that cash tap is being turned off the Government don't seem to have a clue what it's going to do, that is painfully obvious from the proposed 2021 budget, with all its increases nothing innovative which comes as no surprise.

I agree with parts of this too. As we are self employed my Wife and I are both legal and pay our autonomo along with the cost of the accountant every month. Since March we have earned substantially less than our autonomo costs every month, with our last quarter being the worst ever. We have asked what help is available to us but so far have been met with silence.

Unfortunately that means we are now deciding whether we will still be here next month.

alavib

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:59pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:59pm

Paolo51 wrote on Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:48pm:

I believe houses in Spain have never been a sound investment as such ie buy it then sell it at a good profit 5 years later. It is a result to get out what you put into it upon re selling it as far as I can see.
Anyone who pays asking prices in Spain is a bit naive in my opinion, property is ov...

...er priced to sell for a more realistic price. Once bought you then start making into a proper home with the money you thought you had saved.

I could not live in this country ‘under the radar’ as it where which I think a lot of UK ex pats have been doing and they are now scrambling to become legal, I did not live outside the rules in the UK and I wouldn’t do it here.

Some brexiteers with holiday homes throughout Europe are now realising what they voted for and how much harder it is for them to just come and go as they please.

Very well said, and I am sure the people who were duped to vote out are on a very slippery ladder of regrets, which time will make it even worst 

How can a country which is the 3rd largest economy in middle of Western Europe detach itself from their neighbors and pretend they now have taken back control!!

UK citizens are and always will be European and to see that cause of corrupt politicians deceiving the nation that by voting to stay out somehow they will take back control and everyone will prosper is a tragedy 

And it has only just began and will get much worst 

dinnerout

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:03pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:03pm

"because it as an EU state member must always take its orders via the various non elected bodies that steer Europe"

The Original Poster has betrayed his agenda with this reference in the first paragraph of the post.

The prevalence of Covid in both the EU and in the UK is distorting and magnifying the current situation.

Once Covid is under control we will see a clearer picture emerging which allows a better comparison to be made between the effects on Spain and the effects on the UK. Things will settle down.

The OP makes reference to the number of cafes and bars closed in Spain but fails to balance that opinion by mentioning the number of bars, cafes and restaurants currently closed or at risk of closure in the UK.

There seems to be a notion among some that Spain will become the new Venezuela without the British pound.

Does he think that British people will suddenly stop taking holidays in Spain? The number one most popular holiday destination for British people? Given that the requirements for holiday travel to Spain are the same as they are for any other European short haul destination I can't see that happening. 

Certainly fewer British people may seek to buy property in Spain, and some existing owners may seek to sell. It remains to be seen what effect that may have on the overall property market but I suspect the prophets of doom may be disappointed. 

What I do know, is that many people who voted Leave wish to see the EU collapse - as if the Leave vote was not quite enough to satisfy their hate for the EU - but again I think they will be disappointed. 

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