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No Martyn. They are saying that, as a legal Spanish resident, you are able to return to your country of residence, Spain. This is under the COVID restrictions umbrella, nothing to do with Brexit

There is no reason to suppose that as and when the Spanish government determines that COVID is sufficiently under “control”,  holiday makers, second home owners, et al, would be denied entry.

Last March, when SA locked off its airspace. I, and many thousands of others, were, until gov.U.K. negotiated our repatriation, stuck there. Initially, though it wasn’t widely known at the time, the SA government refused all repatriation flights.

When these flights were allowed, they refused to allow their own residents access to outward bound flights; they arrived empty, with two sets of crew on board

I’m saying this only to exemplify that governments are imposing rules/conditions in order to keep their residents safe. We might agree, or not 🤪🥂

That makes sense now thanks 

Hi Martyn,

It seems that every newspaper that picked up the original 'Olive Press' article from last Tuesday have added nothing of value to the report, e.g. the precise documentation that those refused entry had available.  Instead, they just seem to be trying to sensationalise further - why does the 'LancsLive' headline say, "Plane full of expats 'kicked out' of Spain and forced to return to Manchester Airport".  It wasn't a "plane full", it was 40 people.  The passenger quoted in the Olive Press article, Stuart Miller, said "People with letters......", but he didn't say whether he had a letter.  I believe he's talking about the either the "resultado favorable" or the "resguardo", but why haven't any of the press reporting this story bothered to follow up the details?  

On your previous thread about the same story, a member quoted a tenant of theirs on that flight who gained entry with her "resguardo" because she also had confirmation of her son's schooling.  AngeBadge has been able to quote a specific example of someone refused entry because they weren't residents.  So, to me, this just looks like more lazy reporting and/or an excuse for the press to bad-mouth Spain.  Is it any wonder that another member posted earlier that their perception of Spain is that it's hostile to Brits?  Very sad.

Kind regards,

Kim

Yea there are unfortunately alot of British people bad mouthing the spanish which personally i dont agree with especially if they are living in spain. 

I think ange hit the nail on the head with her explanation of a full plane, that never even came into my mind lol. I did state at the start i had posted similar before because i did at first think it was wrong for that to happen but after it now being further reported in the uk papers my mind kind of started to think, "is there more to it? What arent we being told on both sides? Should we worry about getting stuck if want/need to return to the UK? Exactly what reason/paper will valid to prove we've been resident for years?" 

Hi Martyn,

Well, although it was reported that there was a sign at Alicante airport stating "TIE", the other document that proves your residency before 1 January is the green Residency certificate - and they still remain valid, as Spain hasn't issued a deadline by when they have to be exchanged for a TIE.  I can't believe that anyone with a green certificate would have been denied entry.  I can imagine that someone with a 'resguardo' may be denied entry if that's the only document they had, although pesonally I think that should be sufficient to gain entry, but then I'm not Spanish border control, LOL!  I wonder whether some papers have looked into the detail, realised that the 40 passengers denied entry didn't have sufficient documentation and so haven't pursued it further?  Who knows?!

Kind regards,

Kim

Couple of interesting links

https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/comment/opinion/2021/03/31/81695/confidential-look-out-there-are-tourists-about-plus-property-sales-surge.html

https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/comment/opinion/2021/04/03/81885/travel-confusion-mallorca.html

I have mate down in malaga aand he does say its alot busier

Hi all

I don’t quite get the 40 people being returned as we came home on a Ryanair flight from Manchester on the 29th.  At check in we had to show our TIE together with our Covid test results and the QR code we received after filling in the travel form on spth.gob.es

RyanIr appeared to be taking every precaution to get it right as they bear the cost of returning passengers they allow to fly without the right entry requirements!  At the gate boarding we actually saw a young man who the gate staff said did not have the correct test, and an older couple who it sounded like were coming to a rental but did not have a tenancy agreement as residents.  (Perhaps these examples we saw only had hand luggage so did not get checked earlier dropping bags, but the gate staff seemed to be on top of it too!)

We sat on the plane while luggage was off-loaded.  This was just our travel experience so I am unsure how 40 people made it all the way to Spain 🤷‍♀️ 

Take care all - Sharon

Morning Sharon

That’s an interesting post. I hadn’t appreciated that airlines would bear the cost of passengers needing to return, as a result of “non eligibility”

I would only comment that, as with any expectations that shop workers challenge shoppers for not wearing masks etc, were these the correct people to be examining documentation?

If 40 passengers were returned to the U.K. as their “paperwork” was incorrect, it would appear to support that supposition.

There are so few planes leaving the U.K. at the moment, I would have hoped that Ryanair would have employed/ trained “experts”, able to accurately determine what was acceptable documentation, thereby preventing all the confusion and distress 🤪🥂

But how do we know that ryanair are paying? They maybe get reimbursed from the spanish government. Alsi there is ryanair.es who are all spanish and know the law