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As the rules for entry only changed on the evening of 30th April, I wonder if these 40 people arrived on a flight that landed too early to take advantage of the relaxed entry requirements. I can imagine that the Spanish border officials, instead of taking a pragmatic approach and just letting them hang around for a few hours, would take delight in sending them back to the UK.

Morning Martin

I’m afraid that as Sharon had posted that Ryanair were liable for the return fares, I believed she posted accurate information 

As for Ryanair.es, maybe they booked through Ryanair.com and the staff that dealt with them at Manchester were all rom the U.K.? I don’t know.

Rather than ensuring they were up to date with the requirements/documentation for entry to Spain, the cynic in me would suggest that Ryanair played the short game, taking the money and hoping that passengers wouldn’t be turned away.

It will be interesting to see if this is repeated, don’t you think? 🤪🥂

Yes but if ryanair arent paying the costbof the return it more logical sense that they would let them fly, then charge the government to return them, that way they make money. Because if thwe spanish are deporting them they don't have to use ryanair. I was pointing out about ryanair.es because its still ryanair and they will be fully aware of the laws 

On a similar subject about a month ago, I posted that having read Ryanair's Ts&Cs in detail (I must have been having trouble sleeping that night! 😄), they actually state that, in the event a passenger is transported but denied entry at their destination, it is the passenger, not Ryanair, who is liable for the cost of their return.  When and how they try to enforce that is beyond me - it would have been a PR disaster for Ryanair if they'd tried to enforce it at the point of return, but I'm not sure how they could do so easily, after the event?

GrowingOldGracefully reminds me of information I've posted recently, about the publishing error made on the Gov.UK website about being able to travel from the UK for "selling, buying and renting property", and leaves me wondering whether the 40 denied entry booked their flights during the 24-36 hours before it was corrected.  But other members have reported that they were approached at that time by estate agents in Spain, offering to arrange property viewings, so odd that they'd all be on the same flight.  Conversely, it could explain why, so far, we've heard of no similar, en masse instances, because Gov.UK's error was corrected within a day?

But I'm afraid this is just my speculation - I really don't think we'll get to the bottom of it, unless the papers think it's a story worth pursuing 🤔

Kind regards,

Kim

My response to Sharon was based on what she stated; it was merely my opinion, not fact based. As I said, I don’t know

My suggestion that perhaps Ryanair were playing the short game. If these passengers had been admitted, Ryanair were quids in. As it happened, apparently 40 were not. Even if Ryanair were liable for the cost of returning them, they’re not going bust anytime soon!

My opinion only, but that’s the sort of odds that Michael O’Leary might be happy to take

I’m stumped with your reference to the government paying. Why would they?🤪🥂

All airlines are responsible for returning passengers back to were they came from if they are denied entry to any destination whether its Spain or Saudi.  

If you need a visa the airline staff will want to see it at check in.

I am now retired but I used to travel for my work From Algeria to China. Trust me the airline pays.

Kevin

Without the British tourists  Spain will decline and also you will see a lot of British sell up as now they can only come half the year but but still have to pay for a full year 

Hi Jackie,

Non-residents have always only been allowed to come for half a year.  If they were doing more than that, they were illegal immigrants.

Kind regards, 

Kim

That is true but none the less Spain benefited from the money they spent in Spain. The more time anyone spends in any country, that country benefits from money that person spends. Non residents who have holiday homes pay an awful lot towards the infrastruture in Spain. Standing charges on water and electricity, suma tax, non resident taxes, Community fees, paying someone to file tax return, insurance, Bank charges, many have a car that needs insurance, servicing and ITV's. Whether they are in the country or are not. My costs are £1800 simply to keep my holiday home, never mind actually being there where I spend even more in the shops, bars, restraurants, supermarkets etc. There are thousands of us in that situation. When it suited Spain to ignor the rule they did, now Brexit has happened they won't. Many will sell up and I'm one of those. All I've done is pay into the Spanish economy, never caused any trouble or used their health system for the past 17 years. Nor have I overstayed. I don't like they way Non resident home owners are looked upon, especially when I consider what I pay. Others pay even more. We contribute far more than a two week summer tourist.

Currently the travel information from gov.uk is

It is illegal to travel abroad from the UK for holidays 

It is therefore, at this time, of little value to discuss Spain’s restrictions for entry.

The U.K.’s vaccine program is now well established and Spain’s, admittedly somewhat slow out of the blocks, appears to be gaining momentum. It’s an interesting position. Perhaps there’ll be some joined up thinking here. When the U.K. announces it’s traffic light system for travel abroad, Spain may well be in the amber, if not green zone, and may well lift its restrictions to the U.K. Lots to speculate about there.

Holiday home owners, regardless of where they come from, need a crucial element to sell; a buyer. Until they do sell, owners will need to continue paying their dues; utilities, SUMA, etc etc. When they eventually sell, in what the naysayers predict will be a saturated market, the responsibility for the payment of utilities, SUMA etc etc, becomes that of the new owner.

If that new owner comes from within the EU, Spain may continue to ignore the rule, much as it is suggested it did for U.K. visitors

Financial loss to Spain? Nada. 🤪🥂