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Sent back without luggage

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:55pm
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As a side note, did Mr Miller not know that Spanish police carry firearms at all times?

So "being met by armed police" is a bit Tabloid.....

But, to the main point, it's concerning if indeed some were turned back who had evidence that their TIE application had been ACCEPTED as opposed to APPLIED FOR. The former should permit entry, the latter does not.

The Olive Press appears not to have interviewed anyone on that flight who had a TIE, older type Residencia Card or a confirmation that their TIE application was accepted so we are being asked to take Mr Miller's word for that.

Mr Miller's partner said 

The most confusing thing is the double-standards. I think the airport policy depends on nothing more than the mood of the officials at the border.”

But The Olive Press doesn't tell us how she was able to reach that conclusion.

However, it does raise the question as to whether Ryanair boarding officials did or did not advise passengers that their paperwork would or would not pass the test. Do they have an obligation to do so? Did they advise some passengers that their paperwork was adequate to depart the UK but may not pass the Spanish immigration requirement? (I'm thinking in particular about the lady who was hoping to be with her sick father) Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't.

Can of worms...

Steve

Ps this will be in The Sun The Express and The Mail shortly....

"Brits refused entry by undemocratic EU with hopeless vaccine roll out" 😎

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:29pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:29pm

dinnerout wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:20pm:

As a side note, did Mr Miller not know that Spanish police carry firearms at all times?

So "being met by armed police" is a bit Tabloid.....

But, to the main point, it's concerning if indeed some were turned back who had evidence that their TIE application had been ACCEPTED as opposed to APPLIED FOR. The former should permit entry, the latter does not.

The Olive Press appears not to have interviewed anyone on that flight who had a TIE, older type Residencia Card or a confirmation that their TIE application was accepted so we are being asked to take Mr Miller's word for that.

Mr Miller's partner said 

The most confusing thing is the double-standards. I think the airport policy depends on nothing more than the mood of the officials at the border.”

But The Olive Press doesn't tell us how she was able to reach that conclusion.

However, it does raise the question as to whether Ryanair boarding officials did or did not advise passengers that their paperwork would or would not pass the test. Do they have an obligation to do so? Did they advise some passengers that their paperwork was adequate to depart the UK but may not pass the Spanish immigration requirement? (I'm thinking in particular about the lady who was hoping to be with her sick father) Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't.

Can of worms...

Steve

Ps this will be in The Sun The Express and The Mail shortly....

"Brits refused entry by undemocratic EU with hopeless vaccine roll out" 😎

It said it turned away people with residencia cards awel. It also in the uk papers heres one from the express 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1417243/british-expats-spain-brexit-rules-residency-EU-alicante-airport-uk-exparts-deported

I don't get why its happening anyways though because if it's just a case of a holiday then fair enough but people who have the paperwork should be allowed through. I get a second home is kinda classed as a long holiday but to me if you have the legal requirements to travel then you should be allowed IF NOT then told in the UK its not possible. And sending luggage back late is also abit unfair

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:35pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:35pm

Martyn1986 wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:29pm:

It said it turned away people with residencia cards awel. It also in the uk papers heres one from the express 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1417243/british-expats-spain-brexit-rules-residency-EU-alicante-airport-uk-exparts-deported

I don't get why its happening anyways though because if it's just a case of a holiday then fair enough but people who have the paperwork should be allowed through. I get a second home is kinda classed as a long holiday but to me if you have the legal requirements to travel then you should be allowed IF NOT then told in the UK its not possible. And sending luggage back late is also abit unfair

I added my PS as an edit before I read your post above!

My post is not saying that genuine holders of TIE, Residencia Cards or proof of application were denied entry. My post is saying that if that's what's happened it's of concern, but The Olive Press have not interviewed anyone in that position. Nor do they clarify for the reader what Mr Miller's immigration status was.

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:47pm

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dinnerout wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:35pm:

I added my PS as an edit before I read your post above!

My post is not saying that genuine holders of TIE, Residencia Cards or proof of application were denied entry. My post is saying that if that's what's happened it's of concern, but The Olive Press have not interviewed anyone in that position. Nor do they clarify for the reader what Mr Miller's im...

...migration status was.

Steve

No i agree with what your saying. Its defo a problem or atleast could be the start of one. Atm the papers say they were sent back but hopefully there is a much more valid reason. Im sure if second home owners aren't allowed to fly over yet, so maybe was something to do with that but i honestly have no idea. 

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:35pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:35pm

Is the there anyone out there who knows someone who was denied entry without a legal reason? Or is this just guess work or what. The Olive Press has made quite a few mistakes recently. Back in October they they reported that Spain had closed all borders for tourists, not true. 

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:41pm

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Kenneth1 wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:35pm:

Is the there anyone out there who knows someone who was denied entry without a legal reason? Or is this just guess work or what. The Olive Press has made quite a few mistakes recently. Back in October they they reported that Spain had closed all borders for tourists, not true. 

Its also in the UK papers i did provide a link. I don't know what the legal reasons were though

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:13pm

dinnerout wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:20pm:

As a side note, did Mr Miller not know that Spanish police carry firearms at all times?

So "being met by armed police" is a bit Tabloid.....

But, to the main point, it's concerning if indeed some were turned back who had evidence that their TIE application had been ACCEPTED as opposed to APPLIED FOR. The former should permit entry, the latter does not.

The Olive Press appears not to have interviewed anyone on that flight who had a TIE, older type Residencia Card or a confirmation that their TIE application was accepted so we are being asked to take Mr Miller's word for that.

Mr Miller's partner said 

The most confusing thing is the double-standards. I think the airport policy depends on nothing more than the mood of the officials at the border.”

But The Olive Press doesn't tell us how she was able to reach that conclusion.

However, it does raise the question as to whether Ryanair boarding officials did or did not advise passengers that their paperwork would or would not pass the test. Do they have an obligation to do so? Did they advise some passengers that their paperwork was adequate to depart the UK but may not pass the Spanish immigration requirement? (I'm thinking in particular about the lady who was hoping to be with her sick father) Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't.

Can of worms...

Steve

Ps this will be in The Sun The Express and The Mail shortly....

"Brits refused entry by undemocratic EU with hopeless vaccine roll out" 😎

Do you work in PR - for Spain?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9422293/Alicante-officials-refuse-let-dozens-Britons-Spain.html

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:02pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:02pm

No but I prefer to rely on facts that are substantiated by interviews given.

All the newspapers say the same thing (it's the same article) but nowhere is there an interview with anyone who had a TIE, a Residencia or confirmation that their TIE application had been granted. 

If Mr Miller had either of these I am sure he would have mentioned it to the journalist. 

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dinnerout wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:02pm:

No but I prefer to rely on facts that are substantiated by interviews given.

All the newspapers say the same thing (it's the same article) but nowhere is there an interview with anyone who had a TIE, a Residencia or confirmation that their TIE application had been granted. 

If Mr Miller had either of these I am sure he would have mentioned it to the journalist. 

Totally agree Dinnerout.

If the Spanish border guards are deemed to have acted illegally then they will likely have to pay compensation. I suspect that those that were refused entry did not actually have the required paperwork as required by the Spanish authorities.

My headline assessment would be this isn't a case of Spanish border guard overreach, but more UK citizens failing having chanced their arm.

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