EU not expected to be on UK Green List when international travel resumes. - Page 2

PeteinAberdare wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 5:51pm:

I don't know what it has got to do with the EU.

Individual countries make their own choices on vaccination, hence Hungary is not far behind UK.

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I think it will be on a country by country basis, not whether they are in the EU.

Kimmy11 wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 4:04pm:

Hi Mark,

While Spain's rate of infection has risen in recent weeks to 201 cases per 100,000 head of population, Comunidad Valenciana's is the lowest in the country at only 34 cases per 100,000.  The Valencian government has opted for a very gradual release of restrictions and despite the positive imp...

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...act reflected in the Valencian data, the regional government continues to maintain strict measures, such as limited capacity inside restaurants, earlier closing times for commercial establishments, curfew and perimetral lockdown.

Unfortunately, of course, it isn't C.Valenciana's rate of infection that will determine whether Spain makes it onto the UK's 'Green' list; there will need to be a significant drop at the Spanish national level before that will happen 🤞

Kind regards, 

Kim

swcoulthurst wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 7:54pm:

Was just going to point that out too Kim. The rates in Valencian region being low. In fact the actual figures in Spain regarding total cases and death rates are considerably lower than the UK.

Lancelot wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 9:10pm:

Whatever your view on the validity of the UK's death figures compared to other countries, and it's fair to say that some believe that the UK deaths attributable to Covid might have been over played by as much as 25%, it's about today and tomorrow not yesterday and the day before.

The UK has done a great job of vaccinating its people and can pick and choose where it opens up green routes. We are seeing recognition of this from the usual EU tourist destinations who now want to leverage this increasingly low risk supply of tourist income....

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PeteinAberdare wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 5:51pm:

I don't know what it has got to do with the EU.

Individual countries make their own choices on vaccination, hence Hungary is not far behind UK.

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I think it will be on a country by country basis, not whether they are in the EU.

swcoulthurst wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 9:33pm:

This shows the validity of the figures. Unfortunately the file is too big !!

UK Cases 4404882 - Deaths 127428

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Spain cases 3468617 - Deaths 77591

Figures as at 21/4

Lancelot wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 9:46pm:

Even if the UK was still in the EU it would be behind Belgium and Italy in cumulative deaths per million of population. It's no longer the headline it was given the UK isn't in first place. I'd expect France to overtake the UK in the next month or so, though it gives me no pleasure to say this.

I still have doubts over counting who has died with Covid as opposed to because of Covid, I'm sure it will come out in a future inquiry....

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For more up-to date numbers from a reputable source try https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations it's where I pulled my below graph from.

bobtastic wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 9:38pm:

I think you misunderstand. The UK government minister said they would be releasing the list of countries and how they rank in the traffic light system one week before travel out of the Uk will be allowed, and when asked about the EU he said people should expect EU countries to be in the green lis...

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I'd assume he was generalizing when he said that, but the gist was the popular EU holiday destinations will require some form of quarantine upon return to the UK.

I would also assume that if (IF) countries like Spain decide to allow visitors in this summer, they will require a negative PCR test, regardless of whether they've been vaccinated or not. Of course, no country has announced this yet, as none had officially signed up to a VP system, but most commentators are saying as much; that a negative PCR test is going to be a condition of entry for quite some time to come. Months, perhaps even years. The reason being is because no-one yet knows for sure if being vaccinated stops you transmitting the virus, so increasing the risk of new variants being moved from country to country and/or mixing to create yet more variants. 

This is not my opinion, it's just what I'm reading. So don't shout at me if you disagree with any of that. 

PeteinAberdare wrote on Sun May 2, 2021 9:51am:

I was just clarifying that vaccination in countries is under the control of the individual governments, not the EU. Our own government is making out it could not have taken the action it did if still in the EU, and that is not so.

Anyway, we are booked to fly to Alicante in August so keeping fingers firmly crossed. We have both had 2 jabs....

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