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Reporting a potentially dangerous situation

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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:19pm
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RayBenidorm

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Whist walking and sitting in one of the fine establishments enjoying a beer on the sea front, I observed a garbage man emptying the many small bins located up and down the road - 2 nights in a row.

Each time this single person drove to a bin, got out and for more than 5 minutes; picked up the trash around ( they were overflowing) and placed this in the back and then emptied the bin into the back of the truck. Whats the problem??? He was doing his job - yes, a little slowly but this is Spain. The problem was that whist he was behind the vehicle with his mind on picking up the trash on the ground and emptying the garbage bin, talking to tourists or locals, looking at his phone & looking at the girls; his 3+ ton truck was sitting there with the engine running - totally unoccupied. This was the day after some Spanish residences "hired" a van to drive thru people in Barcelona and a year and a month from the same situation in Nice, France. Seems to me in Benidorm that somebody with this modus operandi for an attack just has to get into this trucks cab and take off thru the crowds that walk up and down the boardwalk every night.

This situation could be easily stopped by the driver turning off the engine and depositing his keys in his pocket(s). Is this a valid argument/ potential danger to you? This situation could not even be a so called terrorist situation but a drunk tourist having a "joy ride" with dangerous consequences for him/herself and the many people strolling down the water front. This could easily be stopped by my first sentence in this paragraph.

Who can I report this observation to?? Is it worth it? Is it a valid argument that would be taken seriously?

Thanks...

JOHN2284

Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:27pm

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:27pm

if in doubt call the police..I would have done and I'm  retired UK Pollice..plus take his registration number and make of truck.Also 

his description and what he was doing...especially looking at young girls..He could even be wanted for something..you never know.

RayBenidorm

RayBenidorm

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Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:46pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:46pm

I never said anything about " looking at young girls " just girls who any red-blooded man does time to time - married or not.

This is the way I do not want to come across.

I believe he was a city employee.

french martini

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Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:09pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:09pm

Just report it if you are so concerned, I'm not being nasty with that comment but there are hundreds of potentially dangerous situations that arise each day in any country. To think that this situation could be a possible target like in recent events is ludicrous. I think the public are being overly paranoid and this is what scares people. I agree that this is a dangerous observation that you have made in the respect of the vehicle possibly rolling away etc but not from a terrorist point of view. If you have any issues regarding this then why wait to observe the situation for numerous nights and then post on the forum about it? Would you not have been better going to the authorities rather than looking for advice? You will scare more people writing this than you probably meant to. I served my time in the army and this is the sort of behaviour that we were taught to deal with in basic training believe it or not. "RAYBENIDORM" if you believe something to be potentially dangerous and it may cause harm to the public then act on it please, do not waste time writing posts on forums asking what to do! 

Kimmy11

Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:56am

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:56am

Nc13 - "Immediately following the attack on Las Ramblas, the terrorist van driver, Younes Abouyaaqoub, killed Pau Perez, a Spanish vineyard worker who had just parked his Ford Focus car.  He drove away with Pérez’s body on the back seat of the car, forcing his way through a police checkpoint to escape from the city. He abandoned the car after coming under fire from police to the east of Barcelona and made off on foot. When police found Pérez they discovered he had died from a single stab wound to the chest." 

If Mr. Perez had been told the day before that a series of events would unfold that would result in his death, he may well have described the possibility as "ludicrous".  Well, apparently ludicrous things do happen and we should not denegrate or dismiss the concerns of others, especially when history proves them valid.

RayBenidorm - you asked for advice.  Mine would be: if your predictions came to pass, how would you feel if you hadn't reported your concerns?  You say that you've seen this a couple of times already - I would go back to the same spot and wait for the refuse collection again; make a note of as much detail as possible, as already suggested by SClayton and John 2284.  Hopefully, there is some branding or livery on the truck which will give you an indication of where to convey your concerns. 

In the UK, we generally laugh or groan at the "Health and Safety Police", but similarly comment on the apparent lack of Health and Safety regulation in Spain.  I don't believe there is a lack of regulation here, but certainly a reluctance to enforce it - until it's too late.  I think all your concerns are valid and you should report them, ensuring you have sufficient detail to enable the appropriate authorities to adequately investigate, and for you to follow up if they fail to do so.

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Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:36pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:36pm

One of the reasons Spain is fab is because it's laid back. Leave your do gooding health and safety attitude back in the UK and let the Spanish run Spain. 

Unless you see a crime in which case go report it. 

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:23pm

Kimmy11 wrote:

Nc13 - "Immediately following the attack on Las Ramblas, the terrorist van driver, Younes Abouyaaqoub, killed Pau Perez, a Spanish vineyard worker who had just parked his Ford Focus car.  He drove away with Pérez’s body on the back seat of the car, forcing his way through a police checkpoint to escape from the city. He abandoned the car after coming under fire from police to the east of Barcelona and made off on foot. When police found Pérez they discovered he had died from a single stab wound to the chest." 

If Mr. Perez had been told the day before that a series of events would unfold that would result in his death, he may well have described the possibility as "ludicrous".  Well, apparently ludicrous things do happen and we should not denegrate or dismiss the concerns of others, especially when history proves them valid.

RayBenidorm - you asked for advice.  Mine would be: if your predictions came to pass, how would you feel if you hadn't reported your concerns?  You say that you've seen this a couple of times already - I would go back to the same spot and wait for the refuse collection again; make a note of as much detail as possible, as already suggested by SClayton and John 2284.  Hopefully, there is some branding or livery on the truck which will give you an indication of where to convey your concerns. 

In the UK, we generally laugh or groan at the "Health and Safety Police", but similarly comment on the apparent lack of Health and Safety regulation in Spain.  I don't believe there is a lack of regulation here, but certainly a reluctance to enforce it - until it's too late.  I think all your concerns are valid and you should report them, ensuring you have sufficient detail to enable the appropriate authorities to adequately investigate, and for you to follow up if they fail to do so.

Kimmy11, please do not try and lecture me on the obvious, I know a hell of a lot more on this subject and recent events that you obviously do, do not sit and preach about what you have read in a tabloid or watched on sky news to someone who has served in the British army at a high level. I am going on the fairly high assumption that this is where you have gained your "loose facts" from. Your idiocy and panic on this matter is one which disturbs me. You seem to think that you can sit from your armchair and piece together the information from recent events like columbo. Meanwhile you see fit to place guilt on Raybenidorm by asking how he would feel if something did happen and he hadn't reported the matter, then suggesting he go back to the scene like a secret squirrel and take as many notes as possible! Please leave these recent terror attacks to the big boys and I'm sure this minor issue with the refuse collector will be reported one way or another. In the meantime keep watching murder she wrote and try not to lecture others when you clearly do not have a clue.

Kimmy11

Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:00pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:00pm

Unlike you Nc13, I am not going to descend into personal insults.  Your assumptions are entirely incorrect.  The FACTS you are missing is that I am a recently retired Project Manager in the Defence and National Security arena, and my husband has also recently retired, having served 28 years in the military, having obtained medals in a number of war zones.  You may not be able to grasp the obvious, but I would hope that others reading this thread will understand that I am as qualified as you to discuss these matters, without dismissing me as a mere girly - "leave these recent terror attacks to the big boys"??  Do you realise how ignorant, not to mention sexist, this makes you sound?  Grow up!

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:09pm

People boasting about military service and getting in a lather!! 

What a hoot this topic is 😆

Kimmy11

Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:20pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:20pm

If you read this thread properly, you'll see that Nc13 seems to believe that he's the only person entitled to an opinion because he's ex-army and a man.  I was merely redressing the balance, as his assumptions about me are incorrect.

RayBenidorm ASKED for advice; it is for forum members to offer their personal advice as they see fit, not to denegrate and dismiss the opinions of others.  The only person who can decide what advice to accept or dismiss is RayBenidorm.

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