Very recent covid debate UK parliament - Page 2

Just think!  We all stayed in hiding during lockdown for fear of catching or spreading Covid 19.   In truth, most of us stuck to the rules and came out the other end safely. The vaccination brought relief with it and the vast majority of people everywhere stuck their arms out and got their jabs. That brought such peace of mind to us and since then we’ve received booster after booster to keep “arm”ourselves. I’ve now had 4 and so thankful to be immunised against Covid 19.

Neither my husband or myself have caught it yet and we’ve travelled many times. We still keep hand sanitizers in our cars and cleanse our hands after shopping and always wash them the moment we arrive home. I’m back to wearing my gloves again now that winter is here.

I have friends and family who have caught Covid yet their other half didn’t catch it even when sharing a bed. There’s no understanding this virus. Absolutely no understanding it. 

Hi Binz1,

I'm very sorry to hear how your family has been affected by Covid, especially in view of your wife's illness.  One of my nephews also believed all the conspiracy theories on social media and refused to be vaccinated.  It reminded me of a tragic story I read last year about a super-fit British sportsman, John Eyers, and his twin sister - she had the vaccine, he did not.  The full story is at the link below - it's long, but poignant, informative, and definitely worth the read: 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine

Something that especially leapt out for me is this extract:

"In his assumption, John wasn’t entirely wrong. He was extremely unlikely to die from Covid, as a physically fit 42-year-old with no underlying conditions.  The Covid mortality rate for all 40-year-olds is about 1 in every 1,490 people infected, while for 40-year-olds with no underlying health conditions it is about 1 in every 28,500 people infected, although these figures vary between scientific papers.

But his calculus when it came to understanding the risk-to-benefit ratio of Covid vaccination was off.  If infected, someone who is unvaccinated is 32 times more likely to die of Covid than someone who has been vaccinated.  While vaccination carries a risk of side-effects, this risk is far smaller than the risk of being unvaccinated during a pandemic.  Out of 46.3 million fully vaccinated people in the UK, 77 have died of blood clots thought to be related to a Covid vaccine."

It's also tragically ironic that someone who refused to have a Covid-19 vaccination, because he didn't trust what it was that could be injected into his body, was desperate for doctors to administer every other drug available to them in the hope of saving his life. 

The article includes some interesting commentary about the effects of unqualified influencers on social media.  It finishes with detail from Dr Guillaume Butler-Laporte, a genetic epidemiologist, who is part of a global research programme to analyse the genomes of more than 100,000 people with Covid, in an effort to understand why some people are more severely affected than others.  Although the research is ongoing, its findings so far go a long way to explain why, for example, two people in an intimate relationship, where one of them catches Covid-19 with catastrophic symptoms, may still result in their partner escaping it altogether.

I doubt there will be anything in it that surprises you, but I hope the hesitaters,deny-ers and conspiracy theorists will also take the time to read it, instead of their generally preferred social media click-bait. 

Stay safe,

Kim

Are we still going over this nonsense 2 years on - conspiracy theorists are a waste of oxygen - how many have suffered because they listened, both physically and mentally.

A mate of mine is extremely into the covid conspiracy , he ‘debunks’ everything daily , even now , he knows his stuff though, as he always says ‘ I study this for 14 hours a day , I know my stuff’ he is a ex car salesman , so he defo knows his stuff , my favourite was ‘ the 3rd vax has tiny nano bots in it so they can track us, and if we go out of line they will blow our heads off , it’s all bill gates and his new world order , prove me wrong’

Yup , without a doubt , he should of stuck to selling cars 😇

The only thing that worries me about your post, Craig, is that some people still believe that nonsense 🤣🤣🤣

What I do know is that I have three friends who all ended up in hospital following the vaccine, one of whom nearly died and his doctor actually stated it was due to the vaccine. I see many newspaper articles stating doctors are baffled at the rise in cardio-vascular events and cancers in the UK, especially the young.

I don't believe The Office of National Statistics and Our World In Data are untrustworthy oracles. I just looked at this graph, you will note that all cause excess mortality was in fact dropping until the vaccine rollout started, and then in days it shot up.

Here we are two years later, minus a lot more old and vulnerable people whose lives were lost to Covid during its peak between March and June 2020, but look!, the excess mortality is higher now than it was just before they started injecting people.

You must be unlucky Peter, I don't know anyone who has ended up in hospital after a covid vaccination. Just had my 4th last month, along with just about everyone over 60 that I know.  All still alive and well, we may be the lucky ones!

. The biggest risk to my health is dying from boredom reading all the rubbish that anti-vaxxers post.

Rgds,

Aitch.

I don't believe this you won't accept actual factual data from numerous world medical independent bodies but you will totally accept unproven paper and social media he said she said I've heard!! 

I  have not factually had anyone I know or anyone whom I know die from the vaccine my wife has incurable cancer plus an immune deficiency illness and she has had 4 vaccines and had no more than a sore arm and felt a bit under the weather. I dread to think if the alternative if she caught the virus!

My problem with all the anti vaxes and conspiracy theorist is yiu don’t want us normal folk to believe the world media (which I do agree , sensationalise and talk a lot of crap)but want us to believe some obscure bloke or Graph off Utube or the net (which mostly talk nonsense) 

Do you believe in the new world order , do you believe like my mate that the rich are taking over the world and we are all going to be just their puppets who work for the rich all of our days left on earth 🤔 cos if you ask me, that new world order has been around for a few thousand years as it’s always been like that .

My mate eventually deleted me off his page as I kept pointing this out 👍🏼

What I do know is that I have three friends who all ended up in hospital following the vaccine, one of whom nearly died and his doctor actually stated it was due to the vaccine.

After my friend’s wife got the first shot she developed two blood clots in her lungs and breast cancer at the same time.