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Dlrsantapola

Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 6:43am

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Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 6:43am

Alba102 wrote on Fri May 8, 2020 10:23pm:

Hi Ray D, though not exclusively, 

Since I arrived in Spain, I've had the benefit of learning from your posts and those of other legendary members over the last couple of years and am eternally grateful for all of the advice that you have dispensed, without which I would be none the wiser and considerably worse off....

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However, can I please bring to your attention that there are more than two political party's in the UK.

There may be two major? party's in England.

I would suggest that in these enlighten times, it would be more diverse and inclusive, if people, whether they are old hands like you, or the influx of newer members to the forum, when they refer to the UK, that they include the devolved parliaments of Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland. I hope I'm not being a Leftie when I suggest this.

Should politics be spoken about? Absolutely! Like you Villas, I don't see why not. so long as it is done, as Nicola Sturgeon would suggest, in a grown up manner.

The Scottish Nationalist Party is the 3rd biggest party in the UK, having more members in the Westminster Parliament than the remaining party's combined. (Before anyone takes me to task), Nicola Sturgeon is on record as saying that, she would've chosen a different name to differenciate between the connotations of Nationalists meaning Neo Nazis and the self interest of the current President of The USA.

In the UK, We are TOLD/taught/advised/encouraged from an early age not to talk about 4 topics:

1 Children should not speak unless spoken to/children should be seen and not heard.

2 Don't discuss politics.

3 Don't talk about football. This may or may not be exclusive to the West of Scotland.

4 Under NO circumstances talk about..... sex. After all we're British.

All of which leaves us at best, lagging in ideology, behind our European neighbours, at worst stunted in our collective, inward, insular approach to the rest of the world.

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that, we either lived in the past or presently live in a democracy. No one ought to be discouraged from voicing their opinion. It would be to the betterment of the forum if we were able to do this with civility.

Just a couple of points to ponder. 

A final thought would be that as recently as 45 years ago, circa 1975, I was in a school class during a Spanish lesson when my Spanish teacher jubilantly exclaimed that Juan Carlos had been coronated King of Spain. 

Question: Without Ray D's and other legendary members' input, would be living in another world? eg, In the era of General Francisco Franco?

As always, most of my posts are designed to be of assistance. Hope my latest post has not offended anyone.

Que suenen con los angelitos.

My dad always said never talk about politics or religion because there are always three sides to an argument... agree with nicola on point 3, football ! Was brought up ranting about it and still do ! Do we dare say who we support without any arguments ensuing........I'd rather talk about footy than say.. brexit !!

John56

Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 9:56am

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Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 9:56am

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In Scotland and Northern Ireland that is like asking Protestant or Catholic 😉 Never mind Politics that for many is mixing Football and Religion.

RobScot

Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 11:01am

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John56

Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 11:13am

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Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 11:13am

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A young thing like you would probably be a Ally McCoist fan, for me growing up in N.I. it was John Greig and Davy Cooper.

Alba102

Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 11:25am

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Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 11:25am

Hi Ray D, Nicola, Rob Scot, John56, Dlrsantapola and Costa Couple.

Thanks to you all for replying to my original post. I've been a Financial advisor and worked in the Estate Agency industry since 1985. This is by far the largest response I've ever had. I've done hundreds of "Mail Shots" over the decades and never had such a take up. LOL.

The gentle reminders that RobScot and John56 posted is another gentle reminder of point three in my original post.

Don't talk about football. 

For RayD and anyone else south of the Scottish border. Perhaps a piece of friendly advice would be, be careful when mentioning the big two Glasgow teams. It could be a conversation stopper.

Thanks again for all of your replies. Keep smiling, keep safe and have a wonderful weekend wherever you are.

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Angebadge

Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 2:00pm

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Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 2:00pm

Hi Alba 102.

I was very impressed by your postings on this thread. You expressed yourself eloquently and without judgement. My opinion only of course. I’m sure others will have a contrary opinion 😉. John56, RobScot and I (along with others I may not have mentioned) have all suggested that members are mindful of others, here and on other threads. Unfortunately, it appears that until Alex feels that the thread has become so inflammatory that it needs to be closed down, some members are unable to moderate the tone of their posts. I might add, that’s regardless of subject matter. Combative, opinionated, sometimes abusive responses appear the order of the day for some, however well an opinion is expressed. The tone now seem rather more conciliatory, perhaps as a result of Alex’s intervention. Will it last? Some posters appear to have little self perception, therefore, possibly not.

Alba102

Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 6:09pm

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Posted: Sat May 9, 2020 6:09pm

Angebadge wrote on Sat May 9, 2020 2:00pm:

Hi Alba 102.

I was very impressed by your postings on this thread. You expressed yourself eloquently and without judgement. My opinion only of course. I’m sure others will have a contrary opinion 😉. John56, RobScot and I (along with others I may not have mentioned) have all suggested that members are min...

...dful of others, here and on other threads. Unfortunately, it appears that until Alex feels that the thread has become so inflammatory that it needs to be closed down, some members are unable to moderate the tone of their posts. I might add, that’s regardless of subject matter. Combative, opinionated, sometimes abusive responses appear the order of the day for some, however well an opinion is expressed. The tone now seem rather more conciliatory, perhaps as a result of Alex’s intervention. Will it last? Some posters appear to have little self perception, therefore, possibly not.

Hi there,

Thanks for taking the time and effort to comment positively on my posts.

Take care.

ironwheels54

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:58pm

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:58pm

Villas wrote on Wed May 6, 2020 8:38pm:

I understand what you say, but, you & I can discuss (as we are now) without mal-discourse or debate, without being discourteous or to personal abuse. I hope others are capable. 

unfortunately Villas they arent or at least some arent .It seems to be if you dont follow their  political persuasion then they are  entitled to hurl abuse at you . I have experienced this in the past and just put it down to armchair warriors in the end and felt sorry for them as anyone can write abusive mails when there is no consequence but I dont think they have it in them for healthy mutually respected debate.

Cookep1

Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:17am

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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:17am

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Interesting post in light of your earlier suggestion politics shouldn't be discussed "end of".

You appear to misinterpret a statement about the British character [non political] and our reticence to discuss emotive subjects like religion, politics & Sport. Then choose to raise Brexit [political] in your response and suggest others might follow our lead.

You therefore do exactly what you suggest others shouldn't e.g. baiting debate with a statement which, based on recent European surveys, would appear misinformed.

Cookep1

Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:51am

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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:51am

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The problem with this is that, like it or not, politics directly affect our lives & wellbeing. 

As an example there are many unanswered questions surrounding the UK's exit from the EU transition phase at the end of this year. Decisions on these could have a profound effect on all of us on this forum, whether resident in Spain or holiday home owners. Should we not therefore seek help, advice, opinion on this? Should we not make our concerns know kin an effort to affect the outcome?

It should be perfectly possible to discuss politics in a civil manner without resorting to insults.

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