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Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 1:25pm
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Ken47

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Location: Catral

Hi everyone 

We live in France at the moment but we intend to move to Spain in December open a bank account and get an NIE number  and possibly rent a house/apartment for a year or maybe buy a small apartment that we can rent out when we buy a house at a later stage as this is before brexit (if ever) what will we have to show the Spanish government regarding income as a retired couple 

The alternative is wait untill after brexit when the French authorities ask us brits to re register as French residents in which case we will be living and residing in a 

european country when we move to Spain  

Any thoughts or factual advice would be good 

Thanks in advance ken Augur

Cheryl

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:25pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:25pm

Hello Ken, if you intend renting the apartment as a holiday let you should read this: 

Davebev1's guides: Renting out your property as a holiday let in Spain 

Only the local Ayuntamiento can tell you if a property is likely to get a Tourist Licence so do not listen to your estate agent's promises. As it is taking up to a year to obtain the licence, this could work out quite well for you as you will be living in it whilst going through the process. It is advisable to use an independent Abogado (solicitor) who will not be involved with a conflict of interests if they are also working for the agent, and by default, the seller.

For everything else there is Jim Taylor's excellent set of guides; Jim's guides - your complete guide to Spain 

This includes a guide on how to search this site for other information.

Kimmy11

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:43pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:43pm

Hi Ken,

If you move to Spain before Brexit, the current income requirements are Eu 750 per month; post Brexit, as a Third Country National, that requirement increases to around Eu 2,400 per month.  The problem at the moment is that it's almost impossible to get an appointment for residency in Spain; Alicante has recently made a few appointments available, so probably the best route is to read Jim's Guide on residency (included in the link Cheryl has given you above) and be prepared to travel to whichever office that may be offering appointments, athough this may not be practical if you're still living in France.

Alternatively, how long have you lived in France?  If it's 5 years or more, then you've already achieved "settled status" and it would probably be much easier for you to get permanent French residency, and then move to Spain as a European.  Even if you've lived in France less than 5 years, this may still be the better option to get around the requirements for Third Country Nationals.

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Kim

Ken47

Ken47

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:48pm

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Location: Catral

Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:48pm

Ok thanks for that I have read some of Jim’s post I will have another look

Ken47

Ken47

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:55pm

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Location: Catral

Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:55pm

Hi Kim 

Yes we have been in France for 15 years but the one thing I wasn’t sure about was the new income level of 2400 per person does it still apply to eu residents as with non eu residents 

I should have moved years ago instead if divering over it 

And thanks I will have a look at Jim’s post I may even move next door to him so I can have a chat every morning over coffee😁😁😁

RayD

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:15pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:15pm

There is a difference between residing in a European country and being an EU citizen. 

I don't think living in France and having residency (carte de resident) makes you 'European' and able to travel freely around Europe post brexit. You are still a british citizen but, post brexit, no longer an EU citizen.

Only citizenship of an EU country gives you that. France allows dual nationality so you would have to take out French citizenship to do what you want.

You may find these links useful

https://www.expatica.com/fr/moving/citizenship/a-guide-to-french-citizenship-and-permanent-residence-107626/

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Practical/Your-Questions/Can-I-travel-in-Europe-with-carte-de-sejour

Ken47

Ken47

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:30pm

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Location: Catral

Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:30pm

Ok thanks I am looking at lots of options  and getting a head ache 

Kimmy11

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:30pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:30pm

Hi Ken,

No, the higher amount doesn't apply to EU citizens, only Third Country nationals (which UK citizens will be after Brexit). 

For UK citizens currently in Spain, who have lived here permanently for 5 years or more, the Spanish government has said the process for exchanging the Residencia Permanente card for a TIE will be quick and straightforward.  If the exchange process in France is similar, then it could make sense to get French residency first, so that when you move to Spain, you will be applying for Spanish residency as a European. 

The only caveat I would add is whether the Spanish authorities will insist that your British citizenship takes precedence over your French permanent residency.  It would probably be worth checking this point with a Spanish abogado (lawyer).  For my Spanish residencia, I used Denise Ulendorp at [email protected].  I'd suggest dropping Denise an email and asking her the question.

Kind regards,

Kim

Kush

Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:37pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:37pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:30pm:

Hi Ken,

No, the higher amount doesn't apply to EU citizens, only Third Country nationals (which UK citizens will be after Brexit). 

For UK citizens currently in Spain, who have lived here permanently for 5 years or more, the Spanish government has said the process for exchanging the Residencia Permanente card for a TIE will be quick and straightforward.  If the exchange process in France is similar, then it could make sense to get French residency first, so that when you move to Spain, you will be applying for Spanish residency as a European. 

The only caveat I would add is whether the Spanish authorities will insist that your British citizenship takes precedence over your French permanent residency.  It would probably be worth checking this point with a Spanish abogado (lawyer).  For my Spanish residencia, I used Denise Ulendorp at [email protected].  I'd suggest dropping Denise an email and asking her the question.

Kind regards,

Kim

No Kim, I don't think it works like that, being resident and having residency doesn't make you 'European' its your nationality that determines that (what your passport says) and if the UK leaves the EU having residency in a country will not make you a European citizen.

Kush

Kimmy11

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Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:49pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:49pm

Yes, Kush, that's why I caveated that point and suggested that Ken contacts a Spanish lawyer to get a definitive answer to that question.

Kind regards,

Kim

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