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New Regulations from Ist of February 2022

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:37pm
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I have just seen this on the Chronicle Live paper:

Currently, to qualify as "fully vaccinated" to enter Spain from the UK, tourists aged 12 and over must have had either two doses of a two-shot vaccine (such as AstraZeneca, Moderna or Pfizer), or one dose of a one-shot vaccine (such as the Janssen jab), with the final dose administered at least 14 days ago.

So, that means you do not need a booster jab to holiday in Spain in January 2022, as long as you have had at least two doses of a two-shot jab or one dose of a one-dose vaccine and waited at least 14 days from the date of your final jab.

But from February 1, 2022 the rules will change. From then, you won't be allowed into Spain if your most recent coronavirus jab was more than 270 days ago. So if you've only had two jabs, and the second was 270 days ago, you will need a booster jab taken more than 14 days before your arrival date.

Travel Safe Spain says : "From 1 February 2022, in order to travel to Spain with a vaccination certificate, the certificate must have been issued by the competent authorities of the country of origin at least 14 days after the date of administration of the last dose of the full course of vaccination, as long as the final dose of that course of vaccination was no more than 270 days ago. From that time, the certificate must show the administration of a booster vaccination.

So if you havn't had a 3rd booster you will need to at some point depending on when you had the second of a 2 dose vaccine or from when you had the one jab vaccine, to enter Spain.

Considering the scientists are saying the third dose wanes after 10-12 weeks its a bit pointless.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:33pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:33pm

Hi,  

   thanks for the info. I don't think it will be such a big issue for UK adults as most (who want them) will have had three jabs by now anyhow. The under 18's might be more of an issue, although there is a plentiful supply of 1,2, and booster doses in the UK and they are easily bookable. Whether everyone wants them is another matter. 

   If that is the Spanish requirement then people will have to adhere to it or not visit. 

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:25pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:25pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:33pm:

Hi,  

   thanks for the info. I don't think it will be such a big issue for UK adults as most (who want them) will have had three jabs by now anyhow. The under 18's might be more of an issue, although there is a plentiful supply of 1,2, and booster doses in the UK and they are easily bookable...

.... Whether everyone wants them is another matter. 

   If that is the Spanish requirement then people will have to adhere to it or not visit. 

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Yes Aitch, but depending on when you got the third booster in the Uk, remembering some had it as soon as they could, what happens when their 3rd jab is older than 270 days? some people had it in November, 270 days is slightly less than 9 months , so that could be end of July /August time, then what? If they had it in January, that's September time.  I really don't think many will want another. W.H.O have stated its not a good thing to keep vaccinating the populations.

Rules have been drastically changed today in the Uk, some from tomorrow and many others from the 26th of January.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:46pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:46pm

Alfapash wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:25pm:

Yes Aitch, but depending on when you got the third booster in the Uk, remembering some had it as soon as they could, what happens when their 3rd jab is older than 270 days? some people had it in November, 270 days is slightly less than 9 months , so that could be end of July /August time, then wh...

...at? If they had it in January, that's September time.  I really don't think many will want another. W.H.O have stated its not a good thing to keep vaccinating the populations.

Rules have been drastically changed today in the Uk, some from tomorrow and many others from the 26th of January.

Hi,

    I don't think they are saying that you will only get entry if your last covid jab was less than 270 days ago, they are saying you need to have a booster jab if the 2 jab was over 270 days ago. No-one has started giving out 4th jabs yet have they? 

  We get offered vaccinations against flu every year, so it may be that covid jabs are offered whilst it is still a significant threat? 

 It looks like what Spain has announced is following the EU recommendations, along with a few countries:

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/these-eu-schengen-countries-have-announced-the-shortening-of-vaccine-certificates-validity-so-far/

It will probably become the default requirement to get into the EU.

The UK rules are changing because the infections and hospitalisations are dropping, they went up before most of Europe. Spain now seems to have peaked, others, notably France, are still on a upward trend but should follow suit soon. 

Aitch. 

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:42pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:42pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:46pm:

Hi,

    I don't think they are saying that you will only get entry if your last covid jab was less than 270 days ago, they are saying you need to have a booster jab if the 2 jab was over 270 days ago. No-one has started giving out 4th jabs yet have they? 

  We get offered vaccinations against flu every year, so it may be that covid jabs are offered whilst it is still a significant threat? 

 It looks like what Spain has announced is following the EU recommendations, along with a few countries:

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/these-eu-schengen-countries-have-announced-the-shortening-of-vaccine-certificates-validity-so-far/

It will probably become the default requirement to get into the EU.

The UK rules are changing because the infections and hospitalisations are dropping, they went up before most of Europe. Spain now seems to have peaked, others, notably France, are still on a upward trend but should follow suit soon. 

Aitch. 

Aitch.

I would not worry too much, just keep an eye on things which are changing for the better, weekly. The UK vaccination records do not even show the booster vaccination at present, I might be wrong but up to a week ago they didn’t, just vaccination one and two. 

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:24pm

Hew wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:42pm:

I would not worry too much, just keep an eye on things which are changing for the better, weekly. The UK vaccination records do not even show the booster vaccination at present, I might be wrong but up to a week ago they didn’t, just vaccination one and two. 

⁰My husband had his booster jab in the UK on  2nd December and downloaded the certificate from the NHS the following week and his booster jab appeared on it.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:58am

Hew wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:42pm:

I would not worry too much, just keep an eye on things which are changing for the better, weekly. The UK vaccination records do not even show the booster vaccination at present, I might be wrong but up to a week ago they didn’t, just vaccination one and two. 

Hi Hew, I would agree it's not something to worry about.

  For info, my wife and I had our boosters November 3rd and the details showed on our NHS app within 48 hours, it shows all three jabs.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:42am

aitchc1401 wrote on Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:58am:

Hi Hew, I would agree it's not something to worry about.

  For info, my wife and I had our boosters November 3rd and the details showed on our NHS app within 48 hours, it shows all three jabs.

Aitch.

I am saying going forward, if your 3rd jab was more than 270 days ago before you want to travel to Spain how is that going to work?  For anyone having the 3rd jab in November, at the end of July /August another 270 days will have past. Its not totally clear what will happen then . Time will tell I hope.

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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:23pm

Alfapash wrote on Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:42am:

I am saying going forward, if your 3rd jab was more than 270 days ago before you want to travel to Spain how is that going to work?  For anyone having the 3rd jab in November, at the end of July /August another 270 days will have past. Its not totally clear what will happen then . Time will ...

...tell I hope.

Hi Alfapash,

        I read the attached today on the Schengen news - https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/belgium-to-shorten-validity-of-vaccination-certificates-to-150-days-from-march-1/

Maybe the 270 days in Spain is going to be shorter soon!

   It's not clear to me that having 3 jabs, one being a booster, means that you are considered as fully vaccinated after the 150/270 days time limit. Several different timeframes across the EU countries, which will be confusing later in the year.

Aitch. 

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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:15pm

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Yes Aitch, that was exactly my point. I have friends who had their 3rd jab/ booster on the 23rd of October, their 270 days will end in July. Then what ? This is going to be an issue and despite the EU directive, it seems many countries are coming up with different dates and length of validity. There's is no joined up thinking even within the EU. The Austrian government are acting like the gestapo, they are going to send the police round to homes where the persons are not vaccinated or had their 3rd jab.  Huge fines if you don't comply, but what if you can't or won't pay, round them up and put them in a camp? This is going way to far imho. It's crazy people don't need to keep being jabbed every 6-9 months and how are these governments going to afford it? The vaccines either work or they don't. Vaccines are supposed to protect the person not others. If you have a vaccine say against yellow fever or hepartitis, the vaccine prevents you from contracting it.

In the UK 70,000 NHS staff including many doctors and nurses have not had any covid vaccine. A big protest was held in London last week. Despite being threatened with losing their jobs, so you have to wonder why??? The NHS can't afford to lose any staff. There's already over 100,000 vacancies in the NHS. They can't attract staff for love nor money.

There is going to need a re-think as else no-one will be going anywhere.

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