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How long can I stay in Spain

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:46pm
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Carol39

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Hi 

We have had a property in Spain for 5yrs but we live in the U.K. We have NI numbers and spend a lot of time in Spain. There are conflicting views on the maximum amount of time we can stay at one time.

Can somebody confirm please if it’s 90 days or 180 ?

Thankyou

Carol

PeteKnight

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:03pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:03pm

Until the transition period ends (until the end of this year, as things currently stand) it's 183 days maximum during the calendar year without becoming fiscally resident. This can be in periods of upto 90 days without registering for residency.

Once the transition period ends, it will be 90 days in any rolling 180 day period in the Schengen zone as a whole. These 180 day periods will span calendar year ends.

This means that you will be able spend up to 180 days in a 360 day period, so very much the same as at present, but in shorter chunks than at present.

The issue is really that until now, the current rules weren't really policed, so many people spend 7 or 8 months at a time in Spain.

Pete.

Carol39

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:12pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:12pm

Thank you Pete that was really helpful

Regards

Carol

Kimmy11

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:17pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:17pm

Hi Carole,

As Pete says, until the end of the transition period (currently 31 December 2020), nothing changes for travellers.  However, from 1 January 2021, you will have to comply with the requirements of the Schengen travel zone.  It's easy to keep track if your visiting pattern is going to be the maximum 90 days in Spain, 90 days back in the UK, and so on, but if you visit Spain for shorter periods, it's best to use a calculator to keep track of how many days you have been in the Schengen zone:

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-calculator/

You also need to bear in mind that any time spent in other Schengen zone countries will also deplete your 90 in 180 days.  For example, if you choose to travel to Spain via France, the 90 days would start counting down as soon as you land in France.

Kind regards,

Kim

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:30pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:30pm

Carol39 wrote on Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:12pm:

Thank you Pete that was really helpful

Regards

Carol

Both Kim and Pete have given up to date information but, it's worth pointing out that until the end of the year, although the current residency at 90 days stands, passports are now being read and checked in electronically. This means that the authorities will be aware of any infringements of the 90 days allowed before residency has to happen, and the 183 days for fiscal residency and paying tax in Spain.

Bearing in mind the fact that Spain and other EU countries are only offering residency after December to those who are legally in Spain, it would be very unwise to break the rules which would impede your future stays in Spain.

The fact that people have been overstaying previously without being caught, doesn't mean they can now.

Carol39

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:02pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:02pm

RayD wrote on Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:30pm:

Both Kim and Pete have given up to date information but, it's worth pointing out that until the end of the year, although the current residency at 90 days stands, passports are now being read and checked in electronically. This means that the authorities will be aware of any infringements of the ...

...90 days allowed before residency has to happen, and the 183 days for fiscal residency and paying tax in Spain.

Bearing in mind the fact that Spain and other EU countries are only offering residency after December to those who are legally in Spain, it would be very unwise to break the rules which would impede your future stays in Spain.

The fact that people have been overstaying previously without being caught, doesn't mean they can now.

Thankyou

Kimmy11

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:06pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:06pm

Hi Ray,

The British Ambassador stated last month that "monitoring" had already started, but I hadn't heard of anyone travelling recently between the UK and Europe whose pasport had been "read and checked in electronically" - have you experienced this personally, or know of someone who has?

Many thanks,

Kim

Castleman

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:43pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:43pm

I would have thought when you go through Alicante airport ,and those electronic post for your passport would also be a database ,

Peter3473

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:51pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:06pm:

Hi Ray,

The British Ambassador stated last month that "monitoring" had already started, but I hadn't heard of anyone travelling recently between the UK and Europe whose pasport had been "read and checked in electronically" - have you experienced this personally, or know of someone who has?

Many thanks,

Kim

I have been under the impression that when you arrive and leave Spain you’re passport is electronically scanned at passport control already. So big brother is watching your commings and going’s thus monitoring your movements as stated by the British ambassador.

PeteKnight

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:10pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:10pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:06pm:

Hi Ray,

The British Ambassador stated last month that "monitoring" had already started, but I hadn't heard of anyone travelling recently between the UK and Europe whose pasport had been "read and checked in electronically" - have you experienced this personally, or know of someone who has?

Many thanks,

Kim

The immigration process at Murcia airport has always been fairly random. Sometimes you can just hold the passport open and walk through, other times they want to hold it while they check your photo, and occasionally they drop it on the scanner before handing it back

The last time I flew into Murcia, which was early November last year, the immigration guy took my passport and out it on the scanner.

Is there any significance to that? - I dint know.

But, you’ve been required to provide passport information in advance of flying for as long as I can remember, so they have the information anyway. It’s just that maybe now they are doing something with it.

Pete.

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