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Capital Gains Tax

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:39pm
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Sligogent

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I   have  been researching  on moving to  Spain in  recent months  and got some very  helpful  information  along the way,  opened  my eyes a wee  bit,  plenty  to think  about,  so going  throw another query  out there  and  what  sort of hrlpful replies  I   get

I   now  understand that  if  I  get  my  Irish  pension paid into a Spainish  Bank  account  I  am  liable  for income  Tax, now  I  think  my pension  would alone  not  cover my day to  day  living expenses  in  Spain, As   soon as  I  purchase  a property  in Spain  ,  I  THINK  not  sure but I  will  have to apply  for Residence,  IF  i   sell  my  house  in Ireland  and  get funds  transfered  to  Spainish Bank  account,  I  will   become  liable for  Capital gains,  Is  this  correct,  as  Capital gains  is  24%  I  think,   Or  am  I  better  off  selling House in Ireland before  I  BECOME a  Resident   and  get  fund transfered as  I  would  rent a property  and live  like a tourist,  until fund can  be  transfered,  that  is  if  a  Bank  account can be  opened,  Reason  for selling house  is  to help  with living expenses, Sum transfered will  a  6  firgure sum

Would   be  greatful  to know  if  I  AM  understanding the  Tax  system  in  Spain  or  is  there  any legal  way  I  CAN avoid  a  Capital  gain  bill

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:28pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:28pm

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Kelvin1960

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:05pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:05pm

If you want to be in Spain >183 days per year, you become liable for income tax in Spain. How/where the money arrives is just mechanics.

To be able to spend >183 days/year in Spain, you must gain Residency (I am assuming you are Irish, not British - so it will work for you like it used to work for we Brits).

If you become tax-Resident in Spain before you sell your (Irish ?) house, you will be liable for CGT in Spain at - I think - 23%.

If you gain Residency in Jan-June of any year, you are tax-Resident in Spain for all of that year.

If you gain Residency in July-Dec of any given year, you become tax-Resident on 1st Jan the following year.

Once you become tax-Resident in Spain you must declare your worldwide assets (the Modelo 720 form). 

So ... best to sell in Ireland before moving to Spain.

Sligogent

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:23am

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:23am

Kelvin1960 wrote on Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:05pm:

If you want to be in Spain >183 days per year, you become liable for income tax in Spain. How/where the money arrives is just mechanics.

To be able to spend >183 days/year in Spain, you must gain Residency (I am assuming you are Irish, not British - so it will work for you like it used to work for we Brits)....

...

If you become tax-Resident in Spain before you sell your (Irish ?) house, you will be liable for CGT in Spain at - I think - 23%.

If you gain Residency in Jan-June of any year, you are tax-Resident in Spain for all of that year.

If you gain Residency in July-Dec of any given year, you become tax-Resident on 1st Jan the following year.

Once you become tax-Resident in Spain you must declare your worldwide assets (the Modelo 720 form). 

So ... best to sell in Ireland before moving to Spain.

That   is   what   i    concluded  from  studying    Tax  rules  from forum  here,  So  need  to  be  a 120%  certain  that  moving  to Spain is  for  me, a  lot  to  think  about  over  next   12  months,  Taxes   and  Health  insurance  and existing  medical issuse  that  may  not  be cover,  pointing  to  a   unviable  move  at  the  moment,  400K  house  value    APPROX  100k  Tax  to  Spainish    government ,   would  those  figures  be  correct

Leafy211

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:58am

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:58am

Might have some useful info

https://www.spectrum-ifa.com/would-you-like-to-avoid-spanish-taxes-on-your-property-and-investments/#:~:text=You%20bought%20a%20property%20in,gains%20tax%20allowances%20in%20Spain.

Stevec61

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:11am

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:11am

Sligogent wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:23am:

That   is   what   i    concluded  from  studying    Tax  rules  from forum  here,  So  need  to  be  a 120%  certain  that  moving  to Spain is  for  me, a  lot&...

...nbsp; to  think  about  over  next   12  months,  Taxes   and  Health  insurance  and existing  medical issuse  that  may  not  be cover,  pointing  to  a   unviable  move  at  the  moment,  400K  house  value    APPROX  100k  Tax  to  Spainish    government ,   would  those  figures  be  correct

I would employ the services of a tax adviser for your situation, can’t advise on any myself but I’m sure somebody on the forum will be able to?

Sligogent

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:37am

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:37am

Leafy211 wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:58am:

Might have some useful info

https://www.spectrum-ifa.com/would-you-like-to-avoid-spanish-taxes-on-your-property-and-investments/#:~:text=You%20bought%20a%20property%20in,gains%20tax%20allowances%20in%20Spain.

Thanks  replying,  but  unfortunately  can't  open  it,  as  not in  Blue colour,  and  I  am  not   great  on  computer  

Kelvin1960

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:08pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:08pm

Sligogent wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:37am:

Thanks  replying,  but  unfortunately  can't  open  it,  as  not in  Blue colour,  and  I  am  not   great  on  computer  

The link is helpful. Copy and paste it into a new tab ... it works OK.

It more-or-less confirms what I said. 

Kelvin1960

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:13pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:13pm

Sligogent wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:23am:

That   is   what   i    concluded  from  studying    Tax  rules  from forum  here,  So  need  to  be  a 120%  certain  that  moving  to Spain is  for  me, a  lot&...

...nbsp; to  think  about  over  next   12  months,  Taxes   and  Health  insurance  and existing  medical issuse  that  may  not  be cover,  pointing  to  a   unviable  move  at  the  moment,  400K  house  value    APPROX  100k  Tax  to  Spainish    government ,   would  those  figures  be  correct

As someone else said, you should get good tax advice before committing any money.

But yes, (selling price - buying price) x 23% is a big number.   (I'm assuming 23% is correct here).

Sligogent

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:14pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:14pm

Kelvin1960 wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:08pm:

The link is helpful. Copy and paste it into a new tab ... it works OK.

It more-or-less confirms what I said. 

Nothing  appeared  arrived,  Thanks for  being  helpful,   Think   I    will   get  i  touch  with  a Tax  solicitors  whenever   I  get  out   to  Spain 

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