What is going to happen to us?

Hi Grannyrose,

Glad you got home safely,

I think it will be a long hard winter for everyone. None of us can be responsible for other peoples behaviour but as individuals we try and keep ourselves safer by following the advice of the experts and by doing so will also protect others. The predictions appear to be  that it will take until next summer to get control and some level of normality.

Living in Spain feels safer but like the UK it is very dependent on where you live

Keep safe and I hope you will get back to Spain soon

Best wishes

Vivienne

Thank you VivienneAnn.

Hi GrannyRose - long time no speak! I noted what you said when I read this forum a couple of weeks back re. wearing of masks in public. Well I totally agree. I got back myself just over 2 weeks back so just off myown 14 day house arrest.

I intended to stay longer but myself and partner hated wearing masks in public. It was everything a holiday should not have been about. We thus returned early!

From what I have been reading the EU intend to standardise 2 weeks lockdown for non-EU visitors thus 2 weeks EU + 2 weeks UK in lockdown. A 2 week holiday would mean a month indoors with the first 2 weeks indoors in Spain hence no point/tourist industry has GONE. The tourist trade is on its knees.

Looking at the stats the infection rates are rising but not the death rates nor hospital admissions so a big fat lie is being told somewhere. No point expressing this to your average 'joe' as the usual tinfoil hat/conspiracy insults appear from these people or maybe they are Russian bots who knows (as I don't meet these people/hear these opinions in real life) LOL but common sense would make it obvious to anyone with nous that this seems to be a mismanagement on purpose. My opinion only - not trying to convince anyone but I will not be returning until the muzzle requirements are toned down. I'm sure you might feel the same.

The UK and N.I. where you are I believe is also going in a very bad direction. I really want someone/anyone to take over from Boris as I think he has lost his marbles.

Good to hear from you Gary.

Tell me, if you took over from Boris, what would you do to solve this problem?

Boris only has jurisdiction over England and he has hit upon areas where the virus is spreading. Unfortunately, certain cities have a population of immigrants and people from different cultures where they enjoy the close proximity of family and friends. Many houses are home to generations of one family and the possibility of spreading  COVID-19 is going to be high. The more people who live and work in close proximity, the chances of contagion again is going to be high.  

People living in high density areas are always going to be more likely to catch COVID-19. People living in residential areas with gardens separating houses are bound to be less likely to catch it. How can Boris sort that out?  You cannot change people’s behavioural patterns. I doubt if you or anyone else could do anything to stop this pandemic. Even after that draconian lockdown in Spain, it didn’t go away. Spain has the highest number of covid 19 than any other country. Who do you suggest for the job?  I think Boris is far from well since his run in with Coronavirus and I reckon he would hand the job over to anyone who thinks they could do better.

People don’t like change. People are selfish and want to do what suits them. People think they are infallible.  People ignore what the government tells them what to do. People want to get on with their lives and finally people think they know best.

We listen to all these experts and what happens?  We ignore them.

We are told to self isolate or quarantine and what happens? Some do and some don’t.

We are told not to spent time with crowds and what do we do? We go to protests, raves, parties, pubs.

I could go on for ever but what’s the point?  Going by the above, we are doomed unless the virus has diluted and I believe it has.

Good luck as our new Prime Minister!

Hey that's one job nobody (normal) would really want. However, you are right - it's a virus and can never be totally avoided. If you believe it actually exists as they say - or is a form of flu (as Covid-19 has never been isolated) it's pointless trying to escape something now 'in the wild', so to speak. The fact is we have no number of deaths caused by the baseless claims made for the stats and leathality of this virus. In this I also mean deaths caused by GPs refusing to see their patients thus causing covid deaths bymproxy. Deaths by suicide, cancer, assault, heart conditions etc etc. This Covid has become a political football and one that's being used to scare and control the population.

So now I wil take my place as PM as per your request. I would introduce a Sweden- style system of trusting the popuation and treating them as aduts. The fact is if you treat adults like children (as in the UK) they will act accordingly. The British have a natural aversion to being told what to do, when and where. The Spanish not so much. If we are actually looking at a plandemic not an actual virus-based pandemic then the British anti-establishment trait is a good thing and might be looked back on by future historians as those who refuse to drink the government kool-aid.

Regardless of the truth in this respect, the current conditions are doing zero to prevent deaths and are actually causing deaths plus all the worry and misery to come from the looming depression which, in my opinion (which I have a right to more than ever now that I am PM) will cause a crash to beat anything the 1930's threw at our ancestors.

We just need to keep a distance and carry on normal life as best we can. Those who want to wear face nappies are free to do so but it should never be mandated as the science is not established, regardless of what the government-funded scientists state. PS. there were government-funded scientists before this lot who said masks were useless on the whole but they did not fit the new narritive in the new normal so were replaced with the current ones. As I said - it's one big political football with covid on the side.

PS I got 'stuck' in Spain for 4 months. Took some explaining to Brits at home who thought because it's Spain it was fun. It was NOT. The beaches were closed and I kept getting police checked from the shops. More like a rogue state!!! This is another reason returning is not on the cards at this really really unstable time. I tried it as I love Spain/La mata but it never worked for us this time. I can't risk getting caught up again esp. Ryanair has just cut another 40% of flights last week  !!!!!!!!!!

Hi Grannyrose,

I don't think the economy of any countries in the world could cope with another wholesale lockdown, but I do agree with the targeted approach being take by, for example, Spain and the UK to control infection rates.  As we start to move into autumn/winter and the annual spike for seasonal 'flu, I'm sure governments are focused on how to ensure health services aren't overwhelmed by a second wave of Covid-19 at the same time; local restrictions have to be part of that plan.

Personally, I agree with Vivienne, I think next summer is the earliest we may see a significant breakthrough, although some good progress has been made on treatments for those who become seriously ill, repurposing existing, cheap drugs.  Until (if) we get a vaccine, the biggest issue seems to be that there are much greater numbers of asymptomatic people than originally thought and all the while they are mixing with others in the wider community, the virus will continue to spread.  We urgently need sufficient fast, reliable testing and the laboratory capacity to produce results quickly.  For anyone (everyone?) who's sick of BoJo's bluster and denial in PMQs, his appearance at last week's Liaison Committee is a much more informative watch and, for once, BoJo seemed a little more open and honest than he usually is (the session doesn't start in this video until 14 mins 25 secs):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv8SXHGIgWQ

I understand why Garylamata left Spain early, wearing a mask in the summer heat is not good (understatement!), but it has started to get a little cooler here in Spain and by next month, I don't think wearing a mask is going to be anywhere near as uncomfortable as it has been.  We used to eat out 3 or 4 times a week and while we stopped socialising completely during lockdown, we've been going out once a week for about 6 weeks now.  We go early evening to our favourite restaurant in Guardamar, it's not busy and the staff adopt all the safety measures we'd expect to reassure us.  I think we each need to find our safe spaces and make the most of what we're comfortable with - it's about the only control we have during these extraordinary times.  It's one of the reasons I call this the "new reality" - for me, it's daft to call it the "new normal".

Best wishes,

Kim