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Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 1:44pm
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Sheila1979

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I so wish somebody in authority could be in a position to sort out the 90 in 180 day rule. So many people are having to pay for property and pitches when they cannot be in Spain. Why should they loose all their hard earned savings when they are not allowed to be in the country. Lots of British people come here for their health as the warm sun helps so much especially with arthritis. The British also help contribute to the country and the small businesses. Could somebody please spend time looking into this problem and try and help. A lot of people would be very grateful. Thank you for your time. 

Relyat

Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 2:32pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 2:32pm

In answer to your question. I've looked into this for you and the fault lies with the British population that voted to leave the EU. 

Please address your concerns to them. 

NigeF

Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:24pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:24pm

Relyat wrote on Wed Mar 8, 2023 2:32pm:

In answer to your question. I've looked into this for you and the fault lies with the British population that voted to leave the EU. 

Please address your concerns to them. 

guffaw !!

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 6:25pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 6:25pm

Hi Sheila,

There have been press reports that the Spanish Tourism Minister was going to petition the EU about the 90/180 rule, but in reality "Freedom of Movement" around the Schengen Travel Zone and the rest of Europe are benefits that a (small) majority of UK citizens chose to lose when they voted to leave the EU.  If you're someone who voted to remain in the EU, then you have my sympathy, but unfortunately there is no-one on this forum with the authority to change the current situation.

Kind regards,

Kim

norrimac

Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:50am

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:50am

This is EU bullsh*t not Spanish.

As far as I'm aware, Spain appears to be the only EU country challenging Strasburg on this issue.

If you think Spain is acting anti-British, wait till you try France!

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Kenneth1

Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:39pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:39pm

norrimac wrote on Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:50am:

This is EU bullsh*t not Spanish.

As far as I'm aware, Spain appears to be the only EU country challenging Strasburg on this issue.

If you think Spain is acting anti-British, wait till you try France!

This might be EU Bullshit, but the UK was a member of the EU and that means they are also responsible for this law. 

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:40pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:40pm

Sheila1979 wrote on Wed Mar 8, 2023 1:44pm:

I so wish somebody in authority could be in a position to sort out the 90 in 180 day rule. So many people are having to pay for property and pitches when they cannot be in Spain. Why should they loose all their hard earned savings when they are not allowed to be in the country. Lots of British pe...

...ople come here for their health as the warm sun helps so much especially with arthritis. The British also help contribute to the country and the small businesses. Could somebody please spend time looking into this problem and try and help. A lot of people would be very grateful. Thank you for your time. 

You could try looking into it yourself. 

Davebev1

Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:11pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:11pm

You could never legally spend indefinite periods of time in Spain even under free movement rules.  If you stayed in Spain longer than 182 days a year then you became a tax resident, so better to be a full resident as well.  If you want to live in a property more than 6 months of the year then it would be your primary home, not your second home.  And if you do have two homes, then as you can only be physically present in one at a time, the other will be empty - you will be paying out on the empty property whether that empty property is in Spain or in the UK.

As for the 90/180 rule - that is a Schengen rule and Spain is very happy being part of Schengen.  Schengen rules don't apply to EU citizens but UK government removed Brits from the EU, so they now apply.  Not Spain's job to sort out a problem that the British government caused for its own citizens.  

DUI

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:23am

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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:23am

Sheila1979 wrote on Wed Mar 8, 2023 1:44pm:

I so wish somebody in authority could be in a position to sort out the 90 in 180 day rule. So many people are having to pay for property and pitches when they cannot be in Spain. Why should they loose all their hard earned savings when they are not allowed to be in the country. Lots of British pe...

...ople come here for their health as the warm sun helps so much especially with arthritis. The British also help contribute to the country and the small businesses. Could somebody please spend time looking into this problem and try and help. A lot of people would be very grateful. Thank you for your time. 

Ask people you know how they voted and why.My bet,depending on age and education is that they voted leave.This was usually based on stopping free movement and taking back control of borders!If you make decisions based on the British right wing press and slogans painted on a bus this is what you end up with.Brits can apply for a NLV but this is changing the demographic of Brits coming to live in Spain.If you and your friends voted to remain I apologise unreservedly.

aitchc1401

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:31pm

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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:31pm

Davebev1 wrote on Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:11pm:

You could never legally spend indefinite periods of time in Spain even under free movement rules.  If you stayed in Spain longer than 182 days a year then you became a tax resident, so better to be a full resident as well.  If you want to live in a property more than 6 months of the yea...

...r then it would be your primary home, not your second home.  And if you do have two homes, then as you can only be physically present in one at a time, the other will be empty - you will be paying out on the empty property whether that empty property is in Spain or in the UK.

As for the 90/180 rule - that is a Schengen rule and Spain is very happy being part of Schengen.  Schengen rules don't apply to EU citizens but UK government removed Brits from the EU, so they now apply.  Not Spain's job to sort out a problem that the British government caused for its own citizens.  

I think your right Davebev, a lot of people affected by the 90/180 day rule will most likely have two homes, one in Spain and one in the UK. They will maybe spend less time in the EU than they would have done previously. If someone really wants to spend more time in the EU then they can look to migrate to a EU country, in a lot of cases they'll probably save money by only running one home. 

 In my case I will spend less time in Spain/EU. I will not be able to use up the full 180 days in a 12 month quota as we do not come to Spain from mid-June to mid-September because it is too hot (for us).  So where for instance I would have come to Spain for longer in Feb/March or Nov/Dec and spent money there, I now either go somewhere outside of the EU, somewhere in the UK or stay at home. The financial loss in my case is to Spain, as I would have spent money whilst in the country. Possibly that is why the some in the Spanish government  want to allow UK visitors more flexibility with visiting time, I don't know.

Rgds,

Aitch.

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