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swcoulthurst

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:14pm

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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:14pm

Villas wrote on Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:52pm:

 "Unfortunately the majority that chose (or were allowed) to vote did. "

EG¨ UK citizens who have lived outside of the UK for more than fifteen years (a threshold which the government’s 2015 Queen’s Spee...

...ch defined as ‘arbitrary’ and vowed to scrap it in this Parliament) are excluded from participation in a referendum.

I (& many others. included in this "democratic" disenfranchised are therefore excluded in the (above ) statistical quotes.

[BeniSnowbird, please note re:“democratic voice”.:]

https://www.fljs.org/eu-referendum-no-legal-salve-uks-disenfranchised-non-resident-citizens

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Villas. I voted to remain. You couldn't vote due to legislation that was in place at the time. It doesn't alter the fact that the majority who 'chose' to vote and as you rightly said was able to vote did. You was unable to choose. It still doesn't alter the outcome and we now have to live with it. The worst bit was that, in general, the older generation voted leave, the younger generation voted remain. The demographic that is penalised the most in this is the future of the younger generation. 

Stan Bartolome

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:39am

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:39am

Just logged back in and saw 5 or 6 new replies on this.

So I read them.

And immediately remembered why I've swerved this site for a few years.

Gloating, die hard Brexit support from Granny Whatsit (no surprises there...) & some "oh well, it's shit but it's what the people wanted" defeatist nonsense.

Enjoy your lives in the sun, guys.

See you in another few years.

I'll be halfway up a mountain in the Andalusian campo feeding my chickens.

TonySmith

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:54am

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:54am

Stan Bartolome wrote on Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:39am:

Just logged back in and saw 5 or 6 new replies on this.

So I read them.

And immediately remembered why I've swerved this site for a few years.

Gloating, die hard Brexit support from Granny Whatsit (no surprises there...) & some "oh well, it's shit but it's what the people wanted" defeatist nonsense.

Enjoy your lives in the sun, guys.

See you in another few years.

I'll be halfway up a mountain in the Andalusian campo feeding my chickens.

Just remember, that when you get caught, as an illegal immigrant in Spain, you might get deported(rightly), where you have no rites to vote, contrary to before, where you had before but did not exercise. It is no use trying to grow balls, when balls have been excluded from consideration. It comes back to the 98/2 rule, 98% do or want no part of anything until it happens, and then they blame the 2% that voted.

Stan Bartolome

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:02am

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:02am

TonySmith wrote on Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:54am:

Just remember, that when you get caught, as an illegal immigrant in Spain, you might get deported(rightly), where you have no rites to vote, contrary to before, where you had before but did not exercise. It is no use trying to grow balls, when balls have been excluded from consideration. It comes...

... back to the 98/2 rule, 98% do or want no part of anything until it happens, and then they blame the 2% that voted.

Erm, yeah...

Are you agreeing with me, Tone?

Hard to tell if I'm completely honest...

Grannyrose

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:25am

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:25am

swcoulthurst wrote on Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:07pm:

I think that's called semantics. Neither you nor I know what the non voters would have voted. It could have still gone either way. Therefore in this instance the majority of people voted for the outcome. 

It was a very small majority.  Almost 50/50. Why else do you think so many people were aggrieved?  Half the population of the U.K. voted to stay eg in (NI) and in Wales. 

If you are being fair and honest, you would admit that people didn’t actually know the full picture when they voted. David Cameron never foresaw this happening, nor did any of us. People who write into this forum are upset about the situation and the posts that some people put on are often cruel/unkind. I know of a man who had a beautiful property in Spain, got frightened by the 90 day rule and sold up. Since selling , he’s been back and rented but realises now that he was far too quick to react and wishes he hadn’t sold up. Personally, I think we can manage perfectly with the allotted time. Like Aitch said, it gives you the opportunity to travel elsewhere. We’re going to Turkey at some stage and want to go to Marrakesh as well. Some good comes out of bad situations. 

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:15pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:15pm

Grannyrose wrote on Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:25am:

It was a very small majority.  Almost 50/50. Why else do you think so many people were aggrieved?  Half the population of the U.K. voted to stay eg in (NI) and in Wales. 

If you are being fair and honest, you would admit that people didn’t actually know the full picture when they voted. David Cameron never foresaw this happening, nor did any of us. People who write into this forum are upset about the situation and the posts that some people put on are often crue...

...l/unkind. I know of a man who had a beautiful property in Spain, got frightened by the 90 day rule and sold up. Since selling , he’s been back and rented but realises now that he was far too quick to react and wishes he hadn’t sold up. Personally, I think we can manage perfectly with the allotted time. Like Aitch said, it gives you the opportunity to travel elsewhere. We’re going to Turkey at some stage and want to go to Marrakesh as well. Some good comes out of bad situations. 

I completely agree. The information was greatly exaggerated on both sides. Yes it was a small majority but bearing in mind only 42% of the people eligible to vote did so if the remaining 58% had it could have been the same or different. No one knows. As far as going to Turkey I did that over 30 years ago so the opportunity was there way before Brexit. However many people spent hundreds of thousands of their hard earned pounds and are now restricted on visiting. Not only Spain,  but the rest of Europe too. So not only do they own a property which they only need flights for, but they can now have the opportunity (which they previously already had) to pay for a holiday including flights and accommodation. 

Jeffers26

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:11pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:11pm

Stan Bartolome wrote on Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:20pm:

"The majority of UK citizens" did not vote to leave the EU.

A larger majority of UK citizens didn't vote to remain!

Stan Bartolome

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:20pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:20pm

Jeffers26 wrote on Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:11pm:

A larger majority of UK citizens didn't vote to remain!

What a ridiculous statement.

Did you vote to remain in the EU?

Jeffers26

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:11am

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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:11am

Stan Bartolome wrote on Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:20pm:

What a ridiculous statement.

Did you vote to remain in the EU?

Not as ridiculous as yours.

The majority of people who were eligible to vote did not vote to remain.Fact!

No I did not vote to remain.

TonySmith

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:29am

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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:29am

All these back and forth posts about who voted for what are a waste of time.

History says that a majority of UK citizens (58%) were not bothered to go out and vote (whether informed or not) and of the MINORITY (42%) that did bother to vote, a MAJORITY (51+%) voted to leave. That is what is called DEMOCRACY, more people who bothered to vote, voted to leave. 

Your problems are not with those who voted to leave, but should be directed against those that couldn't bother to vote, and especially those in that category of non-voters, who are now the most vocal about Brexit. Where were they when the votes were counted (probably sunning themselves on the Costas or the like).

Either do your duty in a democracy and vote, (one way or the other), or keep your mouth shut afterwards if you do not like the outcome.

Simple as.

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