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Does Spain plan to make the vaccine obligatory for everyone?

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:54pm
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MillySpain

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Hi All.

Does anyone know whether Spain plans to make the vaccine (we know which one...) obligatory for everyone? And therefore one will actually not be allowed to live in Spain without it. 😔 

France has just announced that it will make vaccination obligatory for all. But not for the police! 🤔.

Yours, Very Depressed,

Milly 

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Hi MillySpain,Spain currently has no plans to make vaccination mandatory.  However, on the radio this morning, there was a report that 70% of the people currently in Spanish intensive care units are antivacunas (anti-vaxxers) and negacionistas (Covid deniers) who have refused the vaccine.  Because of the additional burden on the healthcare system and the risk to clinicians and other workers associated with their care, the Spanish govern...

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:26pm

Hi Milly,

         from what I have read I don't think that France have made vaccination mandatory across the board. They have made new rules that health care workers need to be vaccinated and they do now require that people will have to carry vaccination certificates to enter a lot of public places. I have not seen how they will address the issue of people who cannot have the vaccine for say medical reasons. 

   There are a lot of protests in France this week against the new measures so they may even get reversed to some extent. It's a balancing act against what is best for the public health versus the individuals right to choose whether to have the vaccine or not. 

 I do not think any country will make it mandatory that people have a covid vaccination.  

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:41pm

MillySpain wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:54pm:

Hi All.

Does anyone know whether Spain plans to make the vaccine (we know which one...) obligatory for everyone? And therefore one will actually not be allowed to live in Spain without it. 😔 

France has just announced that it will make vaccination obligatory for all. But not for the police! 🤔.

Yours, Very Depressed,

Milly 

I think eventually all governments will make everyone feel obliged,  but not forced, to have the vaccine. To get into football stadiums, concerts, boxing matches,  restaurants,  aeroplanes etc and anywhere where people collect there maybe rules introduced whereas you can't get in without your vaccination certificate (or similar)

Which direction would you take?

Steve 

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Hi MillySpain,

Spain currently has no plans to make vaccination mandatory.  However, on the radio this morning, there was a report that 70% of the people currently in Spanish intensive care units are antivacunas (anti-vaxxers) and negacionistas (Covid deniers) who have refused the vaccine.  Because of the additional burden on the healthcare system and the risk to clinicians and other workers associated with their care, the Spanish government is considering charging people, who refuse the vaccine and contract the virus, for their care.  The charge suggested would be a minimum of €8,000, but could be as high as €50,000 per patient.

Kind regards,

Kim

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Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:04pm:

Hi MillySpain,

Spain currently has no plans to make vaccination mandatory.  However, on the radio this morning, there was a report that 70% of the people currently in Spanish intensive care units are antivacunas (anti-vaxxers) and negacionistas (Covid deniers) who have refused the vaccine.  Because of...

... the additional burden on the healthcare system and the risk to clinicians and other workers associated with their care, the Spanish government is considering charging people, who refuse the vaccine and contract the virus, for their care.  The charge suggested would be a minimum of €8,000, but could be as high as €50,000 per patient.

Kind regards,

Kim

So they should, has been my opinion for a long time.

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:56am

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tebo53 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:41pm:

I think eventually all governments will make everyone feel obliged,  but not forced, to have the vaccine. To get into football stadiums, concerts, boxing matches,  restaurants,  aeroplanes etc and anywhere where people collect there maybe rules introduced whereas you can't get in w...

...ithout your vaccination certificate (or similar)

Which direction would you take?

Steve 

It's not a easy decision to make. For now I would still favour persuasion over making vaccination compulsory.  

  I can see that proof of a negative test or a covid vaccination passport will become the norm for any situation that cannot ensure social distancing, flights, restaurants, indoor events, large outdoor events, etc. This will, as you say, make people feel obliged to have a vaccination just to make life easier.

  There also needs to be a way of accommodating people who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons or other valid reasons.  

 As time passes and there is more evidence of the effectiveness and reliability of the vaccines there will be a bigger willingness to be vaccinated. I'm sure the majority of us have a small scar on our arms from the vaccination we had at school, it will become like that in time, a non-event.

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:34am

aitchc1401 wrote on Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:56am:

It's not a easy decision to make. For now I would still favour persuasion over making vaccination compulsory.  

  I can see that proof of a negative test or a covid vaccination passport will become the norm for any situation that cannot ensure social distancing, flights, restaurants, indoor events, large outdoor events, etc. This will, as you say, make people feel obliged to have a vaccination just to...

... make life easier.

  There also needs to be a way of accommodating people who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons or other valid reasons.  

 As time passes and there is more evidence of the effectiveness and reliability of the vaccines there will be a bigger willingness to be vaccinated. I'm sure the majority of us have a small scar on our arms from the vaccination we had at school, it will become like that in time, a non-event.

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"As time passes and [if] there is more evidence of the effectiveness and reliability of the vaccines there will be a bigger willingness to be vaccinated."

[The delta variant is spreading rapidly — even in countries with a high vaccination rate. That gives grounds for wild speculation: Did the vaccines make the delta variant possible in the first place? A DW fact check.]

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-did-covid-vaccines-cause-the-delta-variant/a-58242263

[When the COVID-19 pandemic exploded around the globe, scientists warned of dire consequences if the chain of transmission wasn’t disrupted on time. We were warned that more dangerous variants would emerge and that vaccines may lose efficacy in the face of such mutations.

Now, a World Health Organization (WHO) official claims that COVID-19 vaccines are signalling reduced efficacy against the Delta variant of coronavirus.]

https://www.wionews.com/science/covid-vaccines-are-losing-efficacy-against-delta-variant-warns-who-epidemiologist-393091

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Villas wrote on Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:34am:

"As time passes and [if] there is more evidence of the effectiveness and reliability of the vaccines there will be a bigger willingness to be vaccinated."

[The delta variant is spreading rapidly — even in countries with a high vaccination rate. That gives grounds for wild speculation: Did the vaccines make the delta variant possible in the first place? A DW fact check.]
...

...

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-did-covid-vaccines-cause-the-delta-variant/a-58242263

[When the COVID-19 pandemic exploded around the globe, scientists warned of dire consequences if the chain of transmission wasn’t disrupted on time. We were warned that more dangerous variants would emerge and that vaccines may lose efficacy in the face of such mutations.

Now, a World Health Organization (WHO) official claims that COVID-19 vaccines are signalling reduced efficacy against the Delta variant of coronavirus.]

https://www.wionews.com/science/covid-vaccines-are-losing-efficacy-against-delta-variant-warns-who-epidemiologist-393091

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Hi Villas,

      I can accept the "if" you inserted. 

   In the UK covid vaccinations started last December, after 7 months their effectiveness can be seen in the UK figures. The number of vaccinated people being hospitalised with covid and deaths of vaccinated people from covid are low compared to pre-vaccination figures.  As more data is forthcoming then it will give greater confidence to people that are reluctant to have the vaccine that it is effective. 

 The challenge of new variants will be ongoing for some time, I saw a figure that at present only around 26% of the global population have had one dose, so no doubt delta will not be the last major variant. The vaccine developers will be working on improved versions of the vaccines to tackle emerging variants, vaccinations will be with us for some time.

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:42pm

aitchc1401  thanks & to (with permission), quote you again: ["merging variants, vaccinations will be with us for some time"]. I fully agree.

I have personal doubts as to the efficacy against future & ongoing variant infections varied between many studies, & therefore refer to scientific ongoing theories (IE WHO incl. links above) as opposed to political,economic,media or post forum opinions & decisions.

My opinion: I have an open mind until conclusive, future evidence is or [if] confirmed.

With regards,

V

MillySpain

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:36pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:36pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:04pm:

Hi MillySpain,

Spain currently has no plans to make vaccination mandatory.  However, on the radio this morning, there was a report that 70% of the people currently in Spanish intensive care units are antivacunas (anti-vaxxers) and negacionistas (Covid deniers) who have refused the vaccine.  Because of...

... the additional burden on the healthcare system and the risk to clinicians and other workers associated with their care, the Spanish government is considering charging people, who refuse the vaccine and contract the virus, for their care.  The charge suggested would be a minimum of €8,000, but could be as high as €50,000 per patient.

Kind regards,

Kim

Hi Kim.

And thanks. 

That possible step by the Spanish government is approaching very murky ethical territory...

As surely it would / should mean that everyone with a ‘self-imposed’ illness from obesity, alcohol, smoking or narcotics should also take responsibility and pay for their treatment. Especially as these illnesses make up 70% of hospital beds...

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