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MillySpain

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:38pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:38pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:26pm:

Hi Milly,

         from what I have read I don't think that France have made vaccination mandatory across the board. They have made new rules that health care workers need to be vaccinated and they do now require that people will have to carry vaccination certificates to enter a lo...

...t of public places. I have not seen how they will address the issue of people who cannot have the vaccine for say medical reasons. 

   There are a lot of protests in France this week against the new measures so they may even get reversed to some extent. It's a balancing act against what is best for the public health versus the individuals right to choose whether to have the vaccine or not. 

 I do not think any country will make it mandatory that people have a covid vaccination.  

Aitch.

Hi Aitch!

And thank you. Iā€™m actually (still) here in the thick of it in France. Itā€™s not a happy country. LibertĆ© being so important to them. And me! Letā€™s see whether Macron stands firm or bends...

MillySpain

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:41pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:41pm

tebo53 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:41pm:

I think eventually all governments will make everyone feel obliged,  but not forced, to have the vaccine. To get into football stadiums, concerts, boxing matches,  restaurants,  aeroplanes etc and anywhere where people collect there maybe rules introduced whereas you can't get in w...

...ithout your vaccination certificate (or similar)

Which direction would you take?

Steve 

Hi Steve. 

My direction is and will always be the right to choose.  

MillySpain

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:45pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:45pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:04pm:

Hi MillySpain,

Spain currently has no plans to make vaccination mandatory.  However, on the radio this morning, there was a report that 70% of the people currently in Spanish intensive care units are antivacunas (anti-vaxxers) and negacionistas (Covid deniers) who have refused the vaccine.  Because of...

... the additional burden on the healthcare system and the risk to clinicians and other workers associated with their care, the Spanish government is considering charging people, who refuse the vaccine and contract the virus, for their care.  The charge suggested would be a minimum of ā‚¬8,000, but could be as high as ā‚¬50,000 per patient.

Kind regards,

Kim

This will mean that many people will end up dying at home. And is beyond hypocritical! I donā€™t have 50k to get treated but I will not be bullied and coerced into being vaccinated before I am ready. 

MillySpain

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:48pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:48pm

Graham c wrote on Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:49am:

So they should, has been my opinion for a long time.

See my point above on self-imposed illnesses. You also happy for those people to pay for their treatment? 

MillySpain

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:48pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:48pm

MillySpain wrote on Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:41pm:

Hi Steve. 

My direction is and will always be the right to choose.  

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Graham c

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:34pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:34pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:04pm:

Hi MillySpain,

Spain currently has no plans to make vaccination mandatory.  However, on the radio this morning, there was a report that 70% of the people currently in Spanish intensive care units are antivacunas (anti-vaxxers) and negacionistas (Covid deniers) who have refused the vaccine.  Because of...

... the additional burden on the healthcare system and the risk to clinicians and other workers associated with their care, the Spanish government is considering charging people, who refuse the vaccine and contract the virus, for their care.  The charge suggested would be a minimum of ā‚¬8,000, but could be as high as ā‚¬50,000 per patient.

Kind regards,

Kim

Rightfully so if you are not prepared to safeguard yourself and others why should taxpayers foot the bill.

MillySpain

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:10pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:10pm

Graham c wrote on Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:34pm:

Rightfully so if you are not prepared to safeguard yourself and others why should taxpayers foot the bill.

Then everyone with a ā€˜self-imposedā€™ illness from obesity, alcohol, smoking or narcotics should also take responsibility and pay for their treatment. Especially as these illnesses make up 70% of hospital beds.

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:09pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:09pm

MillySpain wrote on Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:10pm:

Then everyone with a ā€˜self-imposedā€™ illness from obesity, alcohol, smoking or narcotics should also take responsibility and pay for their treatment. Especially as these illnesses make up 70% of hospital beds.

Yes if it self inflicted

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:26pm

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Hi MillySpain,

The difference with "obesity, alcohol"..... "or narcotics" is that they aren't 'catching' for others.  There is, of course, a precedent for passive smoking that has seen all First World countries in the world ban smoking inside public spaces.

Personally, I think the Spanish government's stance is reasonable.  They aren't suggesting they will charge anti-vaxxers and Covid-deniers for any other type of treatment, but if, having refused the vaccine, they catch Covid-19 and require hospitalisation, they will be charged for the cost of that specific treatment.

Sadly, unlike the people who say "No" to the vaccine, the clinicians do not have the option to say "No" to treating them.  Why should the risk to this profession be increased further by people who refuse the vaccine?

Kind regards, 

Kim

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:41pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:41pm

MillySpain wrote on Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:10pm:

Then everyone with a ā€˜self-imposedā€™ illness from obesity, alcohol, smoking or narcotics should also take responsibility and pay for their treatment. Especially as these illnesses make up 70% of hospital beds.

MillySpain

I do take your point. & the discussion seems to be on this thread, regarding mandatory (as yet) unproven ongoing (enforceable) medication &/or withdrawing their human rights within the health service of whichever country. 

You have mentioned ["self-imposedā€™ illness from obesity, alcohol, smoking or narcotics"] & others have suggested their rights removed & to be withdrawn.

So where do these suggestions cease? 

With persons involved for eg: in extreme sports, driving a car, guilty of causing & receiving injurious accident, negligent or without diligence, causing harm to themselves accidentally, or indeed self-harming oneself etc etc. Do they have human rights to be treated? Surely yes.

My opinion only.

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