Warning about Lidl in Elche

RayD, I´m not sure about that, the child with parent. Rather than me "looking", are you saying you are sure. As you rightly say (as It does not concern me directly, ie: no kids with me) But for eg: (as I know) sole mother (no neighbours) with child of tender years, I believed included in the exceptions. As I say, I´m not sure, please clarify.

Regards

V

So if thems the rules, why is that one outlet from the six visited who are taking the ruling to the full letter of the law?

So, lets look at the consequences of others shopping for my wife. CV survives 24hours on paper or cardboard and 72 hours on plastic. So we should increase the risk of cross infection by allowing someone else to shop for her?

I made the post to help others, not to seek rebuttal - not helpful

Thanks.

V

Hi UKHandyMan4Hire, good to see you back on the forum and I totally accept your dilemma but technically you are not allowed to take children shopping. The rulings are obviously written with Spanish families in mind and do not necessarily take into account visitors, ex-pats or holiday home owners who don't have the family network on tap.

I posted this recently and the question is asked and answered; https://www.elnacional.cat/en/news/coronavirus-catalonia-82-questions-lockdown_482715_102.html

A couple of points though because we are only supposed to use our nearest supermarket and you mention that she visited 6 supermarkets which is also against the rules.

RayD recently posted a list of fines given for breaking the rules and €601 looks the likely one if your wife was stopped.

What about your wife speaking to the local police to explain the situation to see if they will give her some written authorisation for her to visit your local supermarket with your daughter because it is not feasible for her to be left anywhere on her own at that age?

When my husband gets back from town I disinfect all the packaging and bags (decanting everything I can), his wallet and card, all touch points on and in the car and his mask and glasses. The shoes he wears don't come in the house and his clothes go straight in the wash whilst he is in the shower. He only goes out every 10 or 14 days so it's not having to be done every day. 

There may be people locally willing to do your wife's shopping so it may be worth posting a request for help. I know you help out so many people on here so it would be nice if someone could return the favour.

I appreciate the feedback.

In reference to visiting other supermarkets, this was for essential items. Simply put, some places do not (did not) stock items which were basic requirements. I don't see any breaking of any rules there.

Let me revisit my point from my original post. It was to help others who may find that they too have to go out with a child and that from my wife experience, Lidl in Elche is the only one that she has experienced where this has been implemented.

I don't intend to read any further points on this topic

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I would suggest, in the same situation you would climb down from your lofty heights and take the same nurturing course of action to protect your child as my wife did.

It says Vodafone on buses but it does not mean they sell mobile phones on there.

My forum username relates to a handyman yet I am a highly skilled and qualified global engineering management consultant.

If I may impart one piece of (borrowed) knowledge i have learned, it is that of an important principle suggested by Stephen Covey - "Seek first to understand"

Of course this Lady and her young Daughter should have been allowed into that store. 

Crazy world if anyone is suggesting otherwise.

Thank you UKHandyMan4Hire hire for your advice 👍

LeckyLes 

Totally agree with you,there is a few 'holier than thou' know all bullys on here.On the whole its a great and helpful site though

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/world/europe/spain-children-lockdown-coronavirus.html 

The article below states that Mercadona will not stop one parent shopping with a child; 

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/03/16/coronavirus-british-expat-questions-about-spains-lockdown-answered-from-dog-walking-to-airport-pick-ups/
 but only if it is the nearest.

I am sorry that UKHandyMan4Hire is upset or cross with our replies but we are honestly only trying to help. Nobody wants to get fined €601, let alone risk catching or indeed spreading this awful disease and if Mrs UKHandyMan4Hire had been stopped, with possible purchases from 6 supermarkets and away from her usual town of residence, I think she would have had a hard time justifying it. Supermarkets are high risk so the more you visit, the higher the risk, especially when so many carriers are asymptomatic and as he so rightly says the virus remains live on packaging etc.

Two of us have suggested contacting the local police to get written authorisation to be out with the little one to visit the nearest supermarket, pharmacy, correos etc and if necessary to travel further afield for justifiable reasons and I still think this would be a good idea and can't think why it would cause offense. There are always going to be justified reasons for going outside the set confines but surely it would be better to pre-empt this than to try to explain to the police at the side of the road when facing a fine.

There have been regular posts on here and other forums with people wanting to visit the next town to get a specific (and non essential) preferred food item, or to get a takeaway 10 km away or to buy wild rabbit food from a specialist shop, or because Mr can't (?) do the shopping so it is obvious there is still a bit of confusion over what is and what isn't essential travel.

When the restrictions are eased for children, it won't be total freedom for them, it will just allow them to get out in the fresh air and burn off some energy under strict guidelines. There are probably  more forum members in the "at risk" groups than there are with young children and I, for one, am taking this VERY seriously and I would prefer that my husband shops where he can see that strict guidelines are being adhered to. We both have chronic conditions which make us especially vulnerable but mine is worse which is why my husband does the shopping and why I take precautions to the max and I would prefer to think that people in my local supermarket have not come from Elche or Torrevieja or Madrid or Barcelona or just done a tour of 5 other supermarkets.

Apart from at the very beginning of lockdown my husband has rarely been unable to find essential items at Mercadona in Albatera, only fresh milk has been a bit hit and miss so maybe if we knew what essential items it took 6 supermarket visits to find then the replies could have been different.

I'm sorry if further offense is taken by this post but I want to live to see my first grandchild whose birth I missed due to the lockdown and would prefer to see him sooner rather than later but the more people who flout the rules the longer this will go on so I have reasons to be both angry and frightened.