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EHIC validity

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:10am
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tony99

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I am a pensioner with spanish healthcare via S1.

I have U.K. issued EHIC valid to mid 2021. At the end of 2020 is it still valid until expiry date?

On expiry do I need to replace with the spanish issued TSE?

Thanks

Movingon

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:00pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:00pm

Yes it is still valid and no you do not have to replace it with a TSE. On expiry you can apply for a new one from UK.

Those resident but not in receipt of an S1 by Dec 31st, will be entitled to that when their time comes but not to an EHIC so they will have to rely on travel insurance.with all the exclusions that might imply.

Those arriving after Dec 31st. on non lucrative visas will not be entitled to an S1 or an EHIC.

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:00pm

Movingon wrote on Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:00pm:

Yes it is still valid and no you do not have to replace it with a TSE. On expiry you can apply for a new one from UK.

Those resident but not in receipt of an S1 by Dec 31st, will be entitled to that when their time comes but not to an EHIC so they will have to rely on travel insurance.with all the exclusions that might imply....

...

Those arriving after Dec 31st. on non lucrative visas will not be entitled to an S1 or an EHIC.

But, if you are NOT resident in Spain, ie a non-resident holiday home owner, your EHIC is not valid after 31st December.

Also, according to the UK.gov website, if you are a resident in Spain, but not an S1 holder, you can't use an EHIC after December 31st but have to apply for a Spanish TSE.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain?utm_source=5a08feb6-b434-490b-a772-d63abc9e8b16&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate#healthcare

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:34pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:34pm

If you're resident, an ordinary EHIC is invalid, and it should have been replaced by an EHIC-E, which would cover emergency treatment on visits back to the UK. 

An EHIC-E is valid in the UK until it's expiry date.

An ordinary EHIC will be invalid after the end of this year, unless a mutual EU/UK agreement is reached to continue it.

It is only if you are paying into Spanish social security that you are entitled to a TSE.

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:21pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:21pm

As I understand it, as a resident of Spain, your UK issued EHIC became invalid for healthcare in Spain on the date you became resident and your SIP card gives you access to healthcare in Spain. If you have not been to the INSS to get the paperwork to exchange your S1 letter into a SIP card at your local Centro de Salud, you will need to make an appointment with them to do this.You are also, being in receipt of a UK state pension, still entitled to NHS care when in the UK but you will need to have your SIP card with you. 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain 

"If you are resident in Spain, you must not use your EHIC from the UK to access healthcare in Spain, unless you are a student or posted worker.

When you travel from Spain for a temporary stay in another European Economic Area (EEA) country or Switzerland, you can use your UK or Spanish-issued EHIC to access state-provided healthcare in the country. During that short stay:"

Of course this is only until December 31st."

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:09pm

Cheryl wrote on Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:21pm:

As I understand it, as a resident of Spain, your UK issued EHIC became invalid for healthcare in Spain on the date you became resident and your SIP card gives you access to healthcare in Spain. If you have not been to the INSS to get the paperwork to exchange your S1 letter into a SIP card at you...

...r local Centro de Salud, you will need to make an appointment with them to do this.You are also, being in receipt of a UK state pension, still entitled to NHS care when in the UK but you will need to have your SIP card with you. 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain 

"If you are resident in Spain, you must not use your EHIC from the UK to access healthcare in Spain, unless you are a student or posted worker.

When you travel from Spain for a temporary stay in another European Economic Area (EEA) country or Switzerland, you can use your UK or Spanish-issued EHIC to access state-provided healthcare in the country. During that short stay:"

Of course this is only until December 31st."

I don't think the first paragraph is quite correct as it assumes that, as a resident, you are entitled to a SIP card.

You are only entitled to a SIP card if you are resident with an S1 lodged with INSS, or a resident otherwise paying into the state healthcare system, ie Convenio Especial or direct payments to INSS if you are working, or you are registered as a permanent resident of 5 years or more with the INSS.

Any resident otherwise has to use the private healthcare they declared when they became residents.

A UK citizen resident in Spain can't use their EHIC to access healthcare in Spain, but until 31st December 2020 may use it in other EU countries.

If you are non-resident and have used your EHIC to get medical assistance, you may have been given a temporary SIP to aid the administration of the centro de salud. This is not an indication of a continuing right to free state healthcare in Spain and the EHIC covers treatment that is medically necessary until your return to the UK. The SIP can only become permanent when you are able to produce evidence of residency and an S1

Non-residents will lose the use of their EHIC on 31st December, and therefore the right to any form of free healthcare in Spain via a temporary SIP. They will then have to rely on travel insurance or private healthcare.

Have a look at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/healthcare-in-spain-including-the-balearic-and-canary-islands

and also

https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021


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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:28pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:28pm

RayD wrote on Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:09pm:

I don't think the first paragraph is quite correct as it assumes that, as a resident, you are entitled to a SIP card.

You are only entitled to a SIP card if you are resident with an S1 lodged with INSS, or a resident otherwise paying into the state healthcare system, ie Convenio Especial or direct payments to INSS if you are working, or you are registered as a permanent resident of 5 years or more with the INSS....

...

Any resident otherwise has to use the private healthcare they declared when they became residents.

A UK citizen resident in Spain can't use their EHIC to access healthcare in Spain, but until 31st December 2020 may use it in other EU countries.

If you are non-resident and have used your EHIC to get medical assistance, you may have been given a temporary SIP to aid the administration of the centro de salud. This is not an indication of a continuing right to free state healthcare in Spain and the EHIC covers treatment that is medically necessary until your return to the UK. The SIP can only become permanent when you are able to produce evidence of residency and an S1

Non-residents will lose the use of their EHIC on 31st December, and therefore the right to any form of free healthcare in Spain via a temporary SIP. They will then have to rely on travel insurance or private healthcare.

Have a look at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/healthcare-in-spain-including-the-balearic-and-canary-islands

and also

https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021


Hi Ray, as the OP is a resident in Spain and said he had his healthcare here in Spain with an S1, I assumed he was entitled but maybe hadn't followed it through to the end by going to INSS and then to his Centro de Salud to get the actual SIP card
My only query is where the OP is hoping to get access to healthcare. If it is in Spain, the EHIC became invalid when he became resident and he needs to use his SIP card which he would also need to use to access the NHS in the UK.  The EHIC will only get him treatment in other EU countries.

tony99

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:35pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:35pm

Cheryl wrote on Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:28pm:

Hi Ray, as the OP is a resident in Spain and said he had his healthcare here in Spain with an S1, I assumed he was entitled but maybe hadn't followed it through to the end by going to INSS and then to his Centro de Salud to get the actual SIP card
My only query is where the OP is hoping to get...

... access to healthcare. If it is in Spain, the EHIC became invalid when he became resident and he needs to use his SIP card which he would also need to use to access the NHS in the UK.  The EHIC will only get him treatment in other EU countries.

Hi,

Yes I have a SIP and get my healthcare in Spain

My question was more about being able to use the UK issued EHIC in other EU countries (not U.K./spain) from 2021,or whether I need (or able to ) obtain a spanish issued TSE

Rgds

tony99

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:19pm

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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:19pm

Movingon wrote on Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:00pm:

Yes it is still valid and no you do not have to replace it with a TSE. On expiry you can apply for a new one from UK.

Those resident but not in receipt of an S1 by Dec 31st, will be entitled to that when their time comes but not to an EHIC so they will have to rely on travel insurance.with all the exclusions that might imply....

...

Those arriving after Dec 31st. on non lucrative visas will not be entitled to an S1 or an EHIC.

When it is expired and it is replaced does it cover exactly as before?

All EU countries??

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