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Fraud on Transferwise account

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:12am
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Kimmy11

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Hi all,

I've just picked up this notification from Facebook and wanted to ask others who, like me, have a Transferwise account to be extra vigilant using their accounts:

"TRANSFER WISE WARNING..FRAUD..I have used transferwise for many years in Spain to transfer GBP to Eur and have always been very happy with rate and service. Two weeks ago I made a transfer. Logged in with password and received passcode via mobile to enter my account. Secure and normal. For first time, rather than default to my account I was asked to enter my IBAN. Did not overthink this, thought it may even be a Brexit thing. I then carried on with the transfer. Having used the service for so long I thought no more about it. Transfer completed as normal confirming money transferred to *account name*.  Today I made another transfer but noticed that the target/default account (on first page), although in my name, showed last four digits which I did not recognise. My true account was in the line below and I selected this and successfully completed the transfer. I then contacted Transferwise due to my suspicion re the unknown account. I was informed that my previous transfer earlier in the month had actually been paid into this unknown, to me, account with Sabadell in Barcelona. This account had only been opened on the day of the transfer. I have only ever held one account in Spain and never with Sabadell. Hindsight is a great thing and obviously I wish I had checked my Spanish account on line to confirm money arrived, but after very many successful transfers over the years it did not cross my mind. Just a heads up for anyone using money transfer companies. Would also be very interested to hear if anyone else has been unfortunate enough to fall victim to this scam. Matter currently passed to Transferwise fraud team, but not sure when I will hear more. Would also be grateful if this post could be shared to other relevant groups, of which I am not a member, to make as many people aware as possible."

Current responses on Facebook don't suggest a wide-spread problem, but forewarned is forearmed!

Take care,

Kim

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:03pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:03pm

I am so sorry to hear about your problem and hope you get back what is rightly yours, Thank you for posting this unfortunate episode in your life, as you have been so helpful to others on this website, I wish you all the best, stay safe and healthy. Peter. 

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:14pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:14pm

Peter3473 wrote on Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:03pm:

I am so sorry to hear about your problem and hope you get back what is rightly yours, Thank you for posting this unfortunate episode in your life, as you have been so helpful to others on this website, I wish you all the best, stay safe and healthy. Peter. 

Hi Peter,

That's really kind of you.  Thankfully, this didn't happen to me, but I will certainly pass on your kind thoughts to my friend on Facebook, whose story I shared.  I will be making my own monthly transfer sometime this week, so I will be especially careful when I do!

Best wishes,

Kim

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:57pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:57pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:12am:

Hi all,

I've just picked up this notification from Facebook and wanted to ask others who, like me, have a Transferwise account to be extra vigilant using their accounts:

"TRANSFER WISE WARNING..FRAUD..I have used transferwise for many years in Spain to transfer GBP to Eur and have always been very happy with rate and service. Two weeks ago I made a transfer. Logged in with password and received passcode via mobile to enter my account. Secure and normal. For first time, rather than default to my account I was asked to enter my IBAN. Did not overthink this, thought it may even be a Brexit thing. I then carried on with the transfer. Having used the service for so long I thought no more about it. Transfer completed as normal confirming money transferred to *account name*.  Today I made another transfer but noticed that the target/default account (on first page), although in my name, showed last four digits which I did not recognise. My true account was in the line below and I selected this and successfully completed the transfer. I then contacted Transferwise due to my suspicion re the unknown account. I was informed that my previous transfer earlier in the month had actually been paid into this unknown, to me, account with Sabadell in Barcelona. This account had only been opened on the day of the transfer. I have only ever held one account in Spain and never with Sabadell. Hindsight is a great thing and obviously I wish I had checked my Spanish account on line to confirm money arrived, but after very many successful transfers over the years it did not cross my mind. Just a heads up for anyone using money transfer companies. Would also be very interested to hear if anyone else has been unfortunate enough to fall victim to this scam. Matter currently passed to Transferwise fraud team, but not sure when I will hear more. Would also be grateful if this post could be shared to other relevant groups, of which I am not a member, to make as many people aware as possible."

Current responses on Facebook don't suggest a wide-spread problem, but forewarned is forearmed!

Take care,

Kim

Wow! Very interesting Kimmy.

I don't have a Transferwise account, at least I don't think I do? I log in to their website using my password then use the service which remembers my Sabadell bank account. It asks me to select that account if it's where I want the money transferred to.

The fraud you've described sounds quite sophisticated and without knowing more details suggests the victim's phone may have been hacked.

Was the fraudulent transfer using the website as I've described above, or was it a differently configured account?

Steve

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:51pm

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dinnerout wrote on Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:57pm:

Wow! Very interesting Kimmy.

I don't have a Transferwise account, at least I don't think I do? I log in to their website using my password then use the service which remembers my Sabadell bank account. It asks me to select that account if it's where I want the money transferred to.

The fraud you've described sounds quite sophisticated and without knowing more details suggests the victim's phone may have been hacked.

Was the fraudulent transfer using the website as I've described above, or was it a differently configured account?

Steve

Hi Steve,

I'm like you, I have a standard Transferwise currency exchange account - I've had it for 7 years and never opened a Borderless account with them.  Also, I only ever access it from home, using their website on my PC or laptop, rather than my mobile phone.

The chap who was defrauded was using the mobile app, although he was at home and that's how he usually makes his transfers.  I did wonder whether there are display limitations when viewing your account on the mobile app, because the way the accounts are set up on the website (I have one for me and one for our Spanish lawyer), I think I'd be able to see instantly if an additional account had been added 🤔

The staff in my Sabadell branch always insist that accessing their mobile app for my bank account is the safest way to do it.  Perhaps that's correct if you're doing it from home, but I wonder whether people drop their guard when they're out and about, hitting mobile hotspots, especially if they forget to log out of their account.  As you say, without knowing more, it's difficult to work out how it happened - but I do know I'll be extra careful when I use my account in future.

Best wishes,

Kim

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:55pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:55pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:12am:

Hi all,

I've just picked up this notification from Facebook and wanted to ask others who, like me, have a Transferwise account to be extra vigilant using their accounts:

"TRANSFER WISE WARNING..FRAUD..I have used transferwise for many years in Spain to transfer GBP to Eur and have always been very happy with rate and service. Two weeks ago I made a transfer. Logged in with password and received passcode via mobile to enter my account. Secure and normal. For first time, rather than default to my account I was asked to enter my IBAN. Did not overthink this, thought it may even be a Brexit thing. I then carried on with the transfer. Having used the service for so long I thought no more about it. Transfer completed as normal confirming money transferred to *account name*.  Today I made another transfer but noticed that the target/default account (on first page), although in my name, showed last four digits which I did not recognise. My true account was in the line below and I selected this and successfully completed the transfer. I then contacted Transferwise due to my suspicion re the unknown account. I was informed that my previous transfer earlier in the month had actually been paid into this unknown, to me, account with Sabadell in Barcelona. This account had only been opened on the day of the transfer. I have only ever held one account in Spain and never with Sabadell. Hindsight is a great thing and obviously I wish I had checked my Spanish account on line to confirm money arrived, but after very many successful transfers over the years it did not cross my mind. Just a heads up for anyone using money transfer companies. Would also be very interested to hear if anyone else has been unfortunate enough to fall victim to this scam. Matter currently passed to Transferwise fraud team, but not sure when I will hear more. Would also be grateful if this post could be shared to other relevant groups, of which I am not a member, to make as many people aware as possible."

Current responses on Facebook don't suggest a wide-spread problem, but forewarned is forearmed!

Take care,

Kim

I don't really understand what has gone on here maybe because we don't have the full details but it all sounds a bit confusing. How a transferee was set up by the provision of your own IBAN is strange. Are we clear it is not operator error? What have TW fraud team said?

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:24am

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:24am

Portet wrote on Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:55pm:

I don't really understand what has gone on here maybe because we don't have the full details but it all sounds a bit confusing. How a transferee was set up by the provision of your own IBAN is strange. Are we clear it is not operator error? What have TW fraud team said?

It sounds like the victim may have been looking a fraudulent page they had been redirected to (on the pretext of entering their own IBAN) but the account the money was to be transferred to had the fraudsters account number on it.

Hard to know exactly how it was done from the details supplied in the original post.

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:19pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:19pm

I'm inclined to think that the phone  was hacked.  I'm regularly receiving text messages from fake FedEx and Correos asking me to log into a website to track an item delivery. 

Kimmy11

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:27am

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:27am

A quick update, I did my Transferwise exchange this morning and noticed that they've changed parts of the GUI, so the screen didn't look quite the same as the last time I made a transfer.  I double-checked the IBAN and it matched my bank account, so I went ahead with the transfer and the money has arrived in my Spanish bank.

Kind regards, 

Kim

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