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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 6:52am
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Vanessa66

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How will we know when we can swim in our community pool?

Mike E

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 9:20am

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 9:20am

Vanessa66 wrote on Thu May 28, 2020 6:52am:

How will we know when we can swim in our community pool?

A question many will be & have been asking !!

I understand it will be sometime after the VC is at Phase 2

We wait to hear from our Community Administrators on any (and there will be many!) changes to the Pool Management

We 'wait-out' !!

Lana Scot

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 10:08am

Lana Scot

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 10:08am

We've already heard from our administrators and president, our pool is to remain closed too many rules to be applied, very hard to implement. 

Mike E

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 12:13pm

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 12:13pm

Lana Scot wrote on Thu May 28, 2020 10:08am:

We've already heard from our administrators and president, our pool is to remain closed too many rules to be applied, very hard to implement. 

Thanks Lana ... do you have a 'selection' of what are to be 'imposed' please?

Lana Scot

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 1:04pm

Lana Scot

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 1:04pm

Mike E wrote on Thu May 28, 2020 12:13pm:

Thanks Lana ... do you have a 'selection' of what are to be 'imposed' please?

Yes I do but I don't know how to add it to my post if you pm your email address I could email it to you 

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Mike E

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 1:56pm

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 1:56pm

PM sent

Many thanks

Mike E

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 5:18pm

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 5:18pm

Mike E wrote on Thu May 28, 2020 1:56pm:

PM sent

Many thanks

Hi Lana

Yes looks doubtful for our pool too !

Regards

Mike E

mickhughes1

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 11:17pm

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 11:17pm

This is the bit I hate, they give the freedom to do something then micro manage it to the extent it is just not worth the hassle, so the new reality is they have given you nothing. I know they it is difficult but I hear all the time that the rules in the U.K. are based on London which is not line the rest of the U.K. but here in Spain it is the same all the rules are based on Madrid which is not the same. I know I am generalising but it does my head in at times.   

Mike E

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 9:30am

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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 9:30am

Mike E wrote on Thu May 28, 2020 5:18pm:

Hi Lana

Yes looks doubtful for our pool too !

Regards

Mike E

Maybe relaxed at Phase 3 in late June/ early July - who knows !!

Kellster

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 10:06am

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Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 10:06am

Mike E wrote on Thu May 28, 2020 9:20am:

A question many will be & have been asking !!

I understand it will be sometime after the VC is at Phase 2

We wait to hear from our Community Administrators on any (and there will be many!) changes to the Pool Management

We 'wait-out' !!

For what it is worth, here is a translation of the relevant parts of the BOE - As you can see there are a lot of issues for the communities to address and measures to be put in place. No doubt the cost of re-opening will be substantial.

OFFICIAL STATE BULLETIN No. 138 Saturday, May 16, 2020 Sec. I.Conditions for the reopening of recreational pools to the public and use of beaches.Article 44. Reopening of recreational pools to the public.1. The recreational pools may be opened to the public, access to which is permitted by any person. The maximum capacity allowed will be thirty percent of the capacity of the installation, provided that it is possible to respect the safety distance between users of two meters. Otherwise, said capacity will be reduced in order to comply with the safety distance.2. In order to access the pool, prior appointment will be required with the facility's managing entity.For this, schedules will be organized in shifts, outside of which it will not be possible to stay in the facility.3. Prior to opening, the facilities must be cleaned and disinfected with special attention to closed spaces such as changing rooms or bathrooms. Likewise, the different equipment and materials such as, glass, ropes, auxiliary materials for classes, perimeter grid, first-aid kit, lockers, as well as any other in contact with users, that are part of the installation, must be cleaned and disinfected. The biocides to be used for surface disinfection will be those of product type 2, referred to in Annex V of Regulation (EU) No. 528/2012 of the European Parliament and of the Council of May 22, 2012, regarding the marketing and use of biocides. Likewise, disinfectants such as dilutions of freshly prepared 1:50 bleach or any of the disinfectants with virucidal activity that are on the market and that have been authorized and registered by the Ministry of Health may be used. 4. The provisions of this article are understood without prejudice to the physical and chemical purification operations of the water necessary to obtain adequate water quality from the vessels in accordance with annexes I and II of Royal Decree 742/2013, of September 27 , by which thetechnical-sanitary criteria of the swimming pools are established, with the carrying out of the pertinent controls, as well as compliance with the rest of the applicable regulations.Article 45. Hygiene and prevention measures applicable to recreational pools.1.-The facility will be cleaned and disinfected daily in accordance with the provisions of article 6. However, on surfaces in frequent contact with users' hands, such as knobs on locker room doors, or railings, cleaning and disinfection must be carried out at least three times a day.* See Article 6. Hygiene measures required for the activities provided for in this order:1. The owner of the economic activity or, where appropriate, the director of the centers and entities ... THE COMMUNITY OF OWNERS must ensure that the appropriate cleaning and disinfection measures are adopted for the characteristics and intensity of use of the centers, entities , premises and establishments provided for in this order. In cleaning tasks, special attention will be paid to common use areas and the most frequent contact surfaces such as door knobs, tables, furniture, handrails, floors, telephones, hangers, and other elements with similar characteristics, in accordance with the following guidelines:a) Disinfectants will be used as dilutions of freshly prepared bleach (1:50) or any of the disinfectants with virucidal activity that are on the market and that have been authorized and registered by the Ministry of Health. In the use of this product, the indications on the label will be respected.b) After each cleaning, the materials used and the protective equipment used will be disposed of safely, proceeding afterwards to hand washing. Cleaning measures will also be extended, where appropriate, to private areas of workers, such as locker rooms, lockers, toilets, kitchens and rest areas.5. When in accordance with the provisions of this order the use of the toilets is allowed by clients, visitors or users, its maximum occupation will be one person, except in those cases of people who may require assistance, in which case it will also be allowed use by your companion. The cleaning and disinfection of said toilets must be reinforced, always guaranteeing their state of health and hygiene.7. There should be bins where you can deposit tissues and any other disposable materials. These bins should be cleaned frequently, and at least once a day.8. The provisions of this article shall apply without prejudice to the specificities regarding cleaning and disinfection established in this order for specific sectors.2. Users will be reminded by means of visible signage or public address messages of the hygiene and prevention regulations to be observed, indicating the need to leave the facility in the event of any symptom compatible with COVID-19.3. In the users' areas of stay, a spatial distribution must be established to guarantee the safety distance of at least two meters between the users by means of signs on the ground limiting the spaces. All personal objects, such as towels, must remain within the established two-meter security perimeter, avoiding contact with other users.4. The use and cleaning of the toilets will be carried out in accordance with the provisions of article 6.5. Likewise, it must be verified that, at all times, they are equipped with soap and / or hydroalcoholic gels or disinfectants with virucidal activity authorized and registered by the Ministry of Health.5. It will not be possible to use the showers in the changing rooms or the water sources.ADITIONAL INFORMATION: The Ministry of Health has published a protocol with recommendations and basic safety and cleaning measures in swimming pools, the application of which will come into force only and exclusively when the Transition Plan towards a new normality authorizes the opening of these facilities.This document establishes that there is no evidence of transmission of Covid-19 through water, but it does insist that swimming pools are considered spaces with risks associated with the spread of the virus by its very nature: such as the interaction between people who come to the pools. That is why it is insisted that the most effective measures to avoid the transmission of the virus are social distancing and the reinforcement of hand and respiratory hygiene.Furthermore, daily cleaning and disinfection of surfaces and common areas is required to prevent the spread of the virus. The document specifies that in order to eliminate the virus, the treatment and residual disinfectant levels must be correctly maintained in the water in the glasses and showers.Furthermore, it is essential that an exhaustive cleaning be carried out before disinfecting all the furniture (glass, ropes, stainless steel ladders, showers, walls, lockers, etc.), "and paying special attention to the contact surfaces more frequent as taps, railings or door knobs "continues the text. The protocol draws attention to the fact that disinfection is ineffective if the surface has not previously been devoid of dirt that can serve as a refuge for microorganisms.Likewise, it is urged that a protocol be available to complement this document that responds to the specific characteristics of each installation. In general, aspects such as disposable clothsand materials should not be forgotten, or cleaning and disinfection must be carried out properly.Regarding disinfectants, dilutions of freshly prepared 1:50 bleach or any of the disinfectants with virucidal activity that are on the market and that have been authorized and registered by the Ministry of Health may be used.The water in the glasses (refers to the container in which the water is housed) must have a physical and chemical purification process, renewal by adding make-up water and carrying out operational or routine controls. To eliminate the virus, the treatment and residual disinfection levels in the water must be correctly maintained.Capacity and access control:It will be the lifeguard or personnel designated by the manager of the facility, responsible for supervising the number of bathers in each of the glasses and restricting access to them and in accordance with the legislation in force in each autonomous community.For the entrance to the pool it is proposed to draw or place bands on the reception floor that mark the minimum distance between people of 2 meters to access the counter and the entrance.In the event that the access barrier is a winch, it is preferable to have it lowered or touch it with clothing. And, if the installation allows it, it is recommended to use an entrance door and an exit door to try to avoid crossings as much as possible.Other security measures:The protocol states that establishments must have systems for hand disinfection at the entrance and incorporate a shoe cleaning and disinfection system at the entrance, as well as recommending the use of exclusive footwear within the facility.In addition, a plastic bag for disposable material will be made available to users that must be conveniently deposited closed in a garbage can (with lid and pedal).The importance of disseminating prevention messages through posters and / or public address is also emphasized. The signs will remind you of good public hygiene practices such as showering before entering the pool or washing bathing suits and towels, to eliminate all Measures in common areasThe pools must have a spatial distribution of at least 2 meters among users that will be marked on the ground. All personal items such as towels, cream cans, exclusive use shoes, backpacks, etc. they must remain within the established security perimeter and avoid contact with other users.Cleaning and disinfection of bathing areas and transit areas should be carried out at least twice a day, with special emphasis on the most frequented areas such as changing rooms, toilets, lockers, showers and toilets.POSSIBLE DATE OF OPENING OF COMMUNITY POOLS:The Government will allow the recreational swimming pools and bathing beaches to be reopened to the public during phase 2 of the de-escalation. At this time, only the islands of the Canary archipelago El Hierro, La Gomera and La Graciosa are found in this phase; and that of Formentera, in the Balearic Islands.It is possible that from Monday, May 25. (Prior confirmation and publication of date by the Government)bacteria or viruses.

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