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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:27pm
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Just wondered what people on here think of Boris Johnson 's long awaited road map .I know it would be of more interest to people in UK but because of links to UK for many on this forum ,am sure it was of some interest to them .I look at 21 June 2021 when restrictions are to be completely over ,4 months from now ,I cast my mind back to last year ,when I was in Spain and easing of Lockdown in Spain was announced  in stages ,I'm sure the whole process to the " New Normality " was to take 2 months ,we are nearly a year on, more,information about the virus has been learned ,we have a vaccination process going well ,so why the super cautious process 

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:39pm

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:39pm

It's a good marker from somewhere in a more advanced stage of vaccination.

Given we are in Spain I suppose we are 2 or 3 months behind the UK so with a prevailing wind we might see something similar late August or late September.

The vaccinations are the game changer as previous false dawns soon evaporated once infection rates took hold given there was nothing apart from restrictions to combat them.

People are likely to be broadly pleased with the roadmap though impatient at the same time. 

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24pm

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24pm

I am in the UK and have a holiday home in VIllamartin, I last visited last August. I was able to quarantine for two weeks upon returning to UK as I work in a school. I am under no illusion that I will have to do the same this year too even after being vaccinated. My husband has not been able to get out as he cannot take time off after a holiday. Although we are way ahead of Spain in vaccinations I don't think they will lift restrictions so we can visit sooner than the Summer.

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:46am

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:46am

 Hi John,

         I expect everyone is a bit depressed as they wanted to get out of restrictions sooner but with about 1.6 milliom still infected with covid in the UK.it is to high to consider easing the lockdown quickly. So for me the phased approach, monitoring the infections at each step is a better way to avoid another massive surge in infections.

    Once significant numbers are vaccinated then the infection spread can be bette controlledr. Even with the fast pace that vaccinations have been rolled out in the UK they will still take until May before the higher risk people are covered. So in that respect the slower relaxation is justified. 

 It looks like the earliest we will be able to travel to Spain is May 17th but I am not booking any flights until I see what the Spanish government are proposing re British visitors being allowed back in.

 Very disappointed not be be using the April flights we have booked.

Good luck with the Scottish announcement today, I hope it is not more restrictive than those proposed yesterday!

Rgds,

Autch.

    

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:12pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:12pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:46am:

 Hi John,

         I expect everyone is a bit depressed as they wanted to get out of restrictions sooner but with about 1.6 milliom still infected with covid in the UK.it is to high to consider easing the lockdown quickly. So for me the phased approach, monitoring the infections at...

... each step is a better way to avoid another massive surge in infections.

    Once significant numbers are vaccinated then the infection spread can be bette controlledr. Even with the fast pace that vaccinations have been rolled out in the UK they will still take until May before the higher risk people are covered. So in that respect the slower relaxation is justified. 

 It looks like the earliest we will be able to travel to Spain is May 17th but I am not booking any flights until I see what the Spanish government are proposing re British visitors being allowed back in.

 Very disappointed not be be using the April flights we have booked.

Good luck with the Scottish announcement today, I hope it is not more restrictive than those proposed yesterday!

Rgds,

Autch.

    

Morning  Aitch ,I dont know about you ,but I'm not optimistic about the immediate future ,I'm getting the impression figures are being manipulated, initially we were told the vaccination was at a high rate of effectivity after 3 weeks ,yesterday it was announced that at this period it could give up to 90% protection ,that's the reason I mentioned Spain lockdown in March last year ,the route out of lockdown was to take at best 8 weeks ,no vaccination, not nearly as much knowledge of virus and yet UK government with a years more knowledge and a vaccine deems it fit for 4months before normality, does not.equate with me ,but we have been told that many lies by politicians and so called scientific experts, nothing makes sense to me anymore  .Regarding today il give her speech  a miss and catch the bones of it later not expecting any eureka moment ,schools have gone back partially here 2 weeks early ,so could I assume things would open up 2 weeks earlier here than in England, I dont think so ,could be later ,easier to predict lottery numbers 

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:26pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:26pm

John 52 wrote on Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:12pm:

Morning  Aitch ,I dont know about you ,but I'm not optimistic about the immediate future ,I'm getting the impression figures are being manipulated, initially we were told the vaccination was at a high rate of effectivity after 3 weeks ,yesterday it was announced that at this period it could ...

...give up to 90% protection ,that's the reason I mentioned Spain lockdown in March last year ,the route out of lockdown was to take at best 8 weeks ,no vaccination, not nearly as much knowledge of virus and yet UK government with a years more knowledge and a vaccine deems it fit for 4months before normality, does not.equate with me ,but we have been told that many lies by politicians and so called scientific experts, nothing makes sense to me anymore  .Regarding today il give her speech  a miss and catch the bones of it later not expecting any eureka moment ,schools have gone back partially here 2 weeks early ,so could I assume things would open up 2 weeks earlier here than in England, I dont think so ,could be later ,easier to predict lottery numbers 

Hi John,

        I am not happy about the restrictions staying in place for so long but I do understand the reasons behind the timings. The effectiveness that the BBC were talking about yesterday was for both vaccines being used in the UK, figures reported separately from Scotland and England. Both very effective after only one dose, both need the second dose to increase the effectiveness into the mid90% range. Second dose for the higher risk groups should be by the end of April, assuming no supply issues.

  Yes, the Spanish (and the UK) went for a more rapid return to normal last year and look were it ended up, that is one reason for being more cautious this time. The vaccines are a cause for optimism and hope for the future. It does look like vaccination will become a annual event to boost resistance and to cover new variations, at least for the next couple of years.

 At least it's a nice sunny day in Lincolnshire today!

Rgds,

Aitch.  

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:55pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:55pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:26pm:

Hi John,

        I am not happy about the restrictions staying in place for so long but I do understand the reasons behind the timings. The effectiveness that the BBC were talking about yesterday was for both vaccines being used in the UK, figures reported separately from Scotland and ...

...England. Both very effective after only one dose, both need the second dose to increase the effectiveness into the mid90% range. Second dose for the higher risk groups should be by the end of April, assuming no supply issues.

  Yes, the Spanish (and the UK) went for a more rapid return to normal last year and look were it ended up, that is one reason for being more cautious this time. The vaccines are a cause for optimism and hope for the future. It does look like vaccination will become a annual event to boost resistance and to cover new variations, at least for the next couple of years.

 At least it's a nice sunny day in Lincolnshire today!

Rgds,

Aitch.  

Lucky you Aitch ,pouring rain and high winds here ,I feel more restrictions now with supposed saviour the vaccine ,than last year ,instead of supposed way forward due to vaccine actually going backwards ,tests to get to a country ,tests when one gets there ,tests to go back ,quarantine hotels all to be paid by Joe Public ,I know we all have different points of view ,but where as pre covid I was very positive  now totally  the opposite 

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:50pm

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Why is Boris warning us that it’s not over yet? The main problem is that quite a lot if people are refusing to be vaccinated. It’s as simple as that. In order to be safe, we need to have the vast majority of us vaccinated and that isn’t happening amongst the black snd ethnic minorities snd the Jewish community too. They have it in their heads that they will be tagged snd another reason I heard is that some believe that they’ll be given a birth control drug as well.  We don’t have a huge population of other ethnicities but we do have some and that’s the story they’ve heard and are refusing to have their inoculation.

Lots of us as becoming excited about the prospect of visiting our holiday homes in Spain and many people are being obnoxious. Allow people to have their dreams.  All of us have lived through a very difficult time snd if we don’t have hopes and dreams, we have nothing. Please allow these lovely people to believe that they will get on an airplane and will go on holiday again. I know that some of you are scared and others are just plain nasty but really, be positive, you will all get your vaccinations very soon and your lives will suddenly become normal again. We must think positively for our health’s sake. Negativity is very bad for us. I want to believe that summer will come and everyone who has planned to have a holiday will have it. Please allow these fellow forum members to feel that they will be welcomed back. If you can’t make them welcome,then please say nothing. 

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:19pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:19pm

Grannyrose wrote on Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:50pm:

Why is Boris warning us that it’s not over yet? The main problem is that quite a lot if people are refusing to be vaccinated. It’s as simple as that. In order to be safe, we need to have the vast majority of us vaccinated and that isn’t happening amongst the black snd ethnic minorities snd ...

...the Jewish community too. They have it in their heads that they will be tagged snd another reason I heard is that some believe that they’ll be given a birth control drug as well.  We don’t have a huge population of other ethnicities but we do have some and that’s the story they’ve heard and are refusing to have their inoculation.

Lots of us as becoming excited about the prospect of visiting our holiday homes in Spain and many people are being obnoxious. Allow people to have their dreams.  All of us have lived through a very difficult time snd if we don’t have hopes and dreams, we have nothing. Please allow these lovely people to believe that they will get on an airplane and will go on holiday again. I know that some of you are scared and others are just plain nasty but really, be positive, you will all get your vaccinations very soon and your lives will suddenly become normal again. We must think positively for our health’s sake. Negativity is very bad for us. I want to believe that summer will come and everyone who has planned to have a holiday will have it. Please allow these fellow forum members to feel that they will be welcomed back. If you can’t make them welcome,then please say nothing. 

As far as I know it's the decision makers who are preventing people from travelling for a holiday ,nobody else  I heard nothing positive last night ,before the dates can be reached ,4 conditions have to be met,and then theres the tests ,hotel quarantine that joe public has to pay for ,heard Matt the liar Hancock on today putting the onus on the public yet again , you are entitled to interpret as you see fit and others will do the same

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:42pm

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Hi John,

Even though I live in Spain, I understand your frustration with some of the politicians in the UK.  BoJo said his decision-making would be science-led this time and although some parts of the Roadmap appear to contradict that (English schoolchildren returning en masse, rather than staged), I suspect BoJo and his clowns are very aware of the relationship between their jobs and the UK's death rate, as illustrated by the extract below from this morning's Telegraph:

"The data, as Prof Chris Whitty reminded us, shows that the hard work of reducing infections is still mostly being done by the lockdown and the daily infection rate and number of patients in hospital is still above lockdown-triggering levels.

"Indeed, my colleagues report this morning that when reopening for Easter rather than mid-April was looked at, modelling showed a potential 55,000 extra deaths."

From my own viewpoint, living in a country which is currently a way behind the rate of the UK's vaccination programme, I'm pleased to see that further studies are being conducted into whether a vaccinated person becomes less capable of transmitting the virus to others.  Currently, only one such study exists, published in The Lancet; until we have more peer-reviewed studies that confirm this, I don't believe it would be safe for non-essential, international travel to start any sooner.  I have family and a property in the UK, and as a UK citizen, I have the right to travel there - but I won't be doing so until I've had the vaccine.

Stay safe,

Kim

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