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oadbyman

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:43pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:43pm

John 52 wrote on Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:05am:

Morning  ,maybe I'm.thick but could you explain NVH & IMSO ,cant think off these abbreviations, anyway what has struck me about Hancock, is in any interview he has taken place in ,he is ok as long as he is controlling the interview ,when he is asked things he is not comfortable with he b...

...ecomes quite aggressive, I thought this was quite evident when asked questions by Labour especially  Dawn Butler and Rebecca Long Bailey 

In response to IMHO in the post

NVH Not very humble

and

IMSO In My Sarcastic Opinion

John 52

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:46pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:46pm

oadbyman wrote on Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:43pm:

In response to IMHO in the post

NVH Not very humble

and

IMSO In My Sarcastic Opinion

Thanks for that ,dont think I'd have worked that out

Kimmy11

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:35pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:35pm

Hi John 52,

The UK Government has been taken to court by the Good Law Project, a not-for-profit, crowd-funded charity, in order to get anywhere close to holding BoJo and his clowns to account for wasting taxpayers´ money - and they won!  Those taxpayers voted BoJo in for another term of office and many appear happy to forgive this Government anything, because of the success of the vaccination programme, while giving little or no thought to the frontline health workers who struggled without appropriate and sufficient PPE because of the Government´s cronyism.  How can we expect Government Select Committees to rigorously investigate this unlawful behaviour, while they continue to waste more public money defending further law suits?

I´ve been supporting the Good Law Project for some time - emails that I received from them on Wednesday and yesterday give you some idea of what is having to be done in the charitable sector because the Government´s own procedures are not rigorous.  I hope you find their work of interest.

Kind regards,

Kim

Good Law Project

Dear Kim,

Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings, the High Court has decided.

The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful. The Court found that Gove’s:

“failure to consider any other research agency… would lead a fair minded and informed observer to conclude that there was a real possibility, or a real danger, that the decision maker was biased” (paragraph 168).

Michael Gove had claimed that the work was such that only Public First could carry it out. However, the High Court rejected that version of events. The simple truth, it held, was that the Cabinet Office didn’t even consider whether anyone else should have the contract.

The decision vindicates Good Law Project’s long-running characterisation of pandemic procurement as “institutionalised cronyism”.

Emails released in the case also showed that both Michael Gove and Number 10 were keen that Public First (and Hanbury) should win no-tender polling contracts. Good Law Project’s judicial review of the decision to award a contract to Hanbury will be heard on 26 July.

The decision is the second in our long slate of crowdfunded procurement judicial reviews – and we have succeeded in both. Two Cabinet Ministers – Michael Gove and Matt Hancock – have now been found to have broken the law.

Following the first decision, Good Law Project wrote to Matt Hancock making proposals to improve procurement and get better value for money for taxpayers. We offered, if that invitation was accepted, to drop our further procurement challenges to save public money. Mr Hancock did not respond. Since that letter, huge further sums in public money have been wasted in fruitless defence of their unlawful conduct.

Good Law Project repeats its invitation to the Government to learn lessons – and to stop wasting more public money staving off political embarrassment.

Good Law Project is grateful to its legal team of Jason Coppel QC and Patrick Halliday of 11KBW Chambers, instructed by Rook Irwin Sweeney.  And of course to the tens of thousands of people whose financial contributions make litigation like this possible.

We are the arrow but you draw the bow.

Thank you,

Jo Maugham
Director of Good Law Project

9 June 2021

Good Law Project


Dear Kim,

Yesterday’s High Court judgment that Michael Gove broke the law by handing a contract to his associates is vindication of what we have been saying for months: there is institutionalised cronyism at the heart of Government.

Lots of you have quite rightly got in touch to ask: what are the consequences? What happens now?

There will be real world impact. We know from people who work in Government that Good Law Project’s legal cases have caused those in power to think twice before they break the rules again. It shouldn’t take a tiny not-for-profit, crowdfunded by tens of thousands of people, to act as a watchdog against Government cronyism and law-breaking. But those in power have learned we’re watching and that we’re not afraid to act. 

In terms of criminality, that was not alleged in this case. But we know that in the case of PPE procurement, Government’s own Counter Fraud Function has assessed a high risk of fraud. We have uncovered a case that we believe the Serious Fraud Office should investigate and we will make a referral to them. As always, we will keep you updated.

For the Ministers involved, breaking the law should be a resigning matter or a sackable offence. But we know that Michael Gove or Matt Hancock won’t go and the two High Court rulings won’t force them to. That’s a huge problem for all of us who believe in standards in public life and the rule of law.

So whilst the law is an important check on Government’s misuse of power, it can’t be the only one. In order to truly turn the tide on this culture of impunity, we need to be more ambitious. We need to reach more of the public with our work, we need to be on the front page of every paper, we need to be speaking with our friends and families about what is happening at the heart of Government. Ultimately, it’s about building more power.

It’s no easy task. But we’ve already shown what thousands of people can do when we’re all pulling together in the right direction.  On that note, I wanted to share a personal thank you.  This High Court victory is only possible thanks to you.  Thank you,

Jo Maugham
Director of Good Law Project

10 June 2021

Copyright © 2021 The Good Law Project, All rights reserved
John 52

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:28pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:28pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:35pm:

Hi John 52,

The UK Government has been taken to court by the Good Law Project, a not-for-profit, crowd-funded charity, in order to get anywhere close to holding BoJo and his clowns to account for wasting taxpayers´ money - and they won!  Those taxpayers voted BoJo in for another term of office and many...

... appear happy to forgive this Government anything, because of the success of the vaccination programme, while giving little or no thought to the frontline health workers who struggled without appropriate and sufficient PPE because of the Government´s cronyism.  How can we expect Government Select Committees to rigorously investigate this unlawful behaviour, while they continue to waste more public money defending further law suits?

I´ve been supporting the Good Law Project for some time - emails that I received from them on Wednesday and yesterday give you some idea of what is having to be done in the charitable sector because the Government´s own procedures are not rigorous.  I hope you find their work of interest.

Kind regards,

Kim

Good Law Project

Dear Kim,

Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings, the High Court has decided.

The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful. The Court found that Gove’s:

“failure to consider any other research agency… would lead a fair minded and informed observer to conclude that there was a real possibility, or a real danger, that the decision maker was biased” (paragraph 168).

Michael Gove had claimed that the work was such that only Public First could carry it out. However, the High Court rejected that version of events. The simple truth, it held, was that the Cabinet Office didn’t even consider whether anyone else should have the contract.

The decision vindicates Good Law Project’s long-running characterisation of pandemic procurement as “institutionalised cronyism”.

Emails released in the case also showed that both Michael Gove and Number 10 were keen that Public First (and Hanbury) should win no-tender polling contracts. Good Law Project’s judicial review of the decision to award a contract to Hanbury will be heard on 26 July.

The decision is the second in our long slate of crowdfunded procurement judicial reviews – and we have succeeded in both. Two Cabinet Ministers – Michael Gove and Matt Hancock – have now been found to have broken the law.

Following the first decision, Good Law Project wrote to Matt Hancock making proposals to improve procurement and get better value for money for taxpayers. We offered, if that invitation was accepted, to drop our further procurement challenges to save public money. Mr Hancock did not respond. Since that letter, huge further sums in public money have been wasted in fruitless defence of their unlawful conduct.

Good Law Project repeats its invitation to the Government to learn lessons – and to stop wasting more public money staving off political embarrassment.

Good Law Project is grateful to its legal team of Jason Coppel QC and Patrick Halliday of 11KBW Chambers, instructed by Rook Irwin Sweeney.  And of course to the tens of thousands of people whose financial contributions make litigation like this possible.

We are the arrow but you draw the bow.

Thank you,

Jo Maugham
Director of Good Law Project

9 June 2021

Good Law Project


Dear Kim,

Yesterday’s High Court judgment that Michael Gove broke the law by handing a contract to his associates is vindication of what we have been saying for months: there is institutionalised cronyism at the heart of Government.

Lots of you have quite rightly got in touch to ask: what are the consequences? What happens now?

There will be real world impact. We know from people who work in Government that Good Law Project’s legal cases have caused those in power to think twice before they break the rules again. It shouldn’t take a tiny not-for-profit, crowdfunded by tens of thousands of people, to act as a watchdog against Government cronyism and law-breaking. But those in power have learned we’re watching and that we’re not afraid to act. 

In terms of criminality, that was not alleged in this case. But we know that in the case of PPE procurement, Government’s own Counter Fraud Function has assessed a high risk of fraud. We have uncovered a case that we believe the Serious Fraud Office should investigate and we will make a referral to them. As always, we will keep you updated.

For the Ministers involved, breaking the law should be a resigning matter or a sackable offence. But we know that Michael Gove or Matt Hancock won’t go and the two High Court rulings won’t force them to. That’s a huge problem for all of us who believe in standards in public life and the rule of law.

So whilst the law is an important check on Government’s misuse of power, it can’t be the only one. In order to truly turn the tide on this culture of impunity, we need to be more ambitious. We need to reach more of the public with our work, we need to be on the front page of every paper, we need to be speaking with our friends and families about what is happening at the heart of Government. Ultimately, it’s about building more power.

It’s no easy task. But we’ve already shown what thousands of people can do when we’re all pulling together in the right direction.  On that note, I wanted to share a personal thank you.  This High Court victory is only possible thanks to you.  Thank you,

Jo Maugham
Director of Good Law Project

10 June 2021

Copyright © 2021 The Good Law Project, All rights reserved

Thanks Kim for information, I had heard on radio when in car that the government had lost a judgement  but the  bulletin was de void of much information. I must confess that while I'm in Spain I dont always catch the ITV news at 6-30 &10 pm UK time but do switch between  Sky news and GMB in morning, I cant remember hearing anything  about this judgement on these news programmes  ,now of course I could have missed it .I think the present government  is the most dishonest ,corrupt and self serving in my time ,on top of that these ministers  think they are untouchable and will be re elected  come what may ,I think also the lack of reporting and clarity ,as far as I'm aware when these judgements are made and am sure there will be many more to come to light into the public domain is the problem .Its quite evident that on performance, very few of the cabinet should hold a position ,but getting them to resign or them being sacked is.never going to happen ,so it looks like the only answer is forcing these judgements and the performances of these people down the public's throats in the hope of a different result at the next election  ,but sorry Keir Starmer does not inspire me 

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:25pm

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John 52 wrote on Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:05am:

Morning  ,maybe I'm.thick but could you explain NVH & IMSO ,cant think off these abbreviations, anyway what has struck me about Hancock, is in any interview he has taken place in ,he is ok as long as he is controlling the interview ,when he is asked things he is not comfortable with he b...

...ecomes quite aggressive, I thought this was quite evident when asked questions by Labour especially  Dawn Butler and Rebecca Long Bailey 

Fancy being 'grilled' by someone as dishonest as Dawn Butler, the woman who edited and lied about her Police stop to create racial tension and claimed for a second home which is the same distance from parliament as her main home and claimed for a whirlpool bath..... snout in the trough

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:03pm

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Balmer9 wrote on Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:25pm:

Fancy being 'grilled' by someone as dishonest as Dawn Butler, the woman who edited and lied about her Police stop to create racial tension and claimed for a second home which is the same distance from parliament as her main home and claimed for a whirlpool bath..... snout in the trough

They say you learn something new every day, new nothing about the deficiencies of Dawn Butler ,I know she complained about police harassment when she was stopped in car ,think it was Brixton but maybe got that wrong ,have heard her talk in past and got impression she new what she was talking about ,always like that in a politician but regards her honesty cant comment as dont know her personally ,but with amount of lies that have been told by Tory government ministers ,I'm surprised theres not a multitude of pinocchio clones going about

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:15pm

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Hi John,

Cummings has dropped another bomb, aimed at Hancock, 20 minutes before today's PMQ - publishing texts supposedly between Cummings and BoJo that are very much less than flattering of Hancock's abilities.  Leave them to their own devices long enough and they may all implode 🙄

Kind regards, 

Kim

John 52

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14pm

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:15pm:

Hi John,

Cummings has dropped another bomb, aimed at Hancock, 20 minutes before today's PMQ - publishing texts supposedly between Cummings and BoJo that are very much less than flattering of Hancock's abilities.  Leave them to their own devices long enough and they may all implode 🙄

Kind regards, 

Kim

Hi Kim thanks for information  ,since reading your post I have had notification on my phone ,it remains  to be seen what the fallout is regarding this information  ,I cant see how Johnson  can dismiss this with a gesture from his hand and some mumbled statement  and from Hancock's  point of view how can he attend a conference at Downing street and look Johnson in the eye and recommend  anything when his boss has such a worthy negative opinion of him ,but Hancock is not alone as a useless individual, plenty more in the same boat ,Gove ,Williamson ,Coffey ,Atkins ,need I go on

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07pm

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07pm

tebo53 wrote on Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:50pm:

IMHO, A bit dated and old hat subject.

Steve 

Yes this morning was a while ago.

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:24pm

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:24pm

John 52 wrote on Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14pm:

Hi Kim thanks for information  ,since reading your post I have had notification on my phone ,it remains  to be seen what the fallout is regarding this information  ,I cant see how Johnson  can dismiss this with a gesture from his hand and some mumbled statement  and from ...

...Hancock's  point of view how can he attend a conference at Downing street and look Johnson in the eye and recommend  anything when his boss has such a worthy negative opinion of him ,but Hancock is not alone as a useless individual, plenty more in the same boat ,Gove ,Williamson ,Coffey ,Atkins ,need I go on

You can add Priti Patel , the Met in in  disgrace and nothing from her except asking for Cressida Dick’s homework in by Monday. 

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