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Are there any petitions for longer than 90 days to stay in Spain with a Holliday home?

Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 11:57am
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Janefitz

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We would like to know if there is a petition we could sign for u.k residents who have a Holliday home in Spain to stay longer than the 90 day period? I’ve read that goveners/mayors of parts of Spain have put this forward due to their economy of what British people can bring to them .  Thank you ! 

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Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 1:40pm

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Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 1:40pm

The 90 day ruling is an EU Schengen Agreement ruling and is not in the power of Spain or any other country to just over rule it.

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Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 5:09pm

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Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 5:09pm

Janefitz wrote on Sat May 7, 2022 11:57am:

We would like to know if there is a petition we could sign for u.k residents who have a Holliday home in Spain to stay longer than the 90 day period? I’ve read that goveners/mayors of parts of Spain have put this forward due to their economy of what British people can bring to them .  Than...

...k you ! 

Sorry to tell you but you can petition all you like because nothing is going to change.Its a Schengen rule and when the UK voted to leave the EU we automatically became a 3rd country and have to adhere to their rules.Much has been said about it suffice to say it wasn’t printed on the side of a bus.

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Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 10:48pm

DUI wrote on Sat May 7, 2022 5:09pm:

Sorry to tell you but you can petition all you like because nothing is going to change.Its a Schengen rule and when the UK voted to leave the EU we automatically became a 3rd country and have to adhere to their rules.Much has been said about it suffice to say it wasn’t printed on the side of a ...

...bus.

"It's a Schengen Rule"

Please elaborate as to why you are quoting this rule.

You should be aware that the UK was never in the Schengen Travel Area - we always had to show our passports when entering the Country. 

From Wiki -

Of the 27 EU member states, 22 participate in the Schengen Area. Of the five EU members that are not part of the Schengen Area, four—Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, and Romania—are legally obliged to join the area in the future; Ireland maintains an opt-out, and instead operates its own visa policy. The four European Free Trade Association (EFTA) member states, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland, are not members of the EU, but have signed agreements in association with the Schengen Agreement. Also, three European microstatesMonaco, San Marino, and the Vatican City—maintain open borders for passenger traffic with their neighbors, and are therefore considered de facto members of the Schengen Area due to the practical impossibility of travelling to or from them without transiting through at least one Schengen member country

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Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 11:42pm

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Posted: Sat May 7, 2022 11:42pm

Paolo51 wrote on Sat May 7, 2022 1:40pm:

The 90 day ruling is an EU Schengen Agreement ruling and is not in the power of Spain or any other country to just over rule it.

True but each country can, if it wished, introduced a national long stay visa. The visa could only be used in the the country that issued it and it shouldn't effect the 90/180 day Schengen allowance.

https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa/long-stay-visas/2442162

https://france-visas.gouv.fr/web/france-visas/long-stay-visa

GrahamWL

Posted: Mon May 9, 2022 7:40am

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Posted: Mon May 9, 2022 7:40am

PeterPan wrote on Sat May 7, 2022 11:42pm:

True but each country can, if it wished, introduced a national long stay visa. The visa could only be used in the the country that issued it and it shouldn't effect the 90/180 day Schengen allowance.

https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa/long-stay-visas/2442162

This is absolutely correct. Spain is a sovereign state within the European Union (as was the UK prior to the execrable Brexit), and as such, has the power to determine entry, exit and residence rules within its borders so long as those stipulations do not impinge on the Schengen area rules. 

Kimmy11

Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 11:22pm

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 11:22pm

Lari wrote on Sat May 7, 2022 10:48pm:

"It's a Schengen Rule"

Please elaborate as to why you are quoting this rule.

You should be aware that the UK was never in the Schengen Travel Area - we always had to show our passports when entering the Country. 

From Wiki -

Of the 27 EU member states, 22 participate in the Schengen Area. Of the five EU members that are not part of the Schengen Area, four—Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, and Romania—are legally obliged to join the area in the future; Ireland maintains an opt-out, and instead operates its own visa policy. The four European Free Trade Association (EFTA) member states, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland, are not members of the EU, but have signed agreements in association with the Schengen Agreement. Also, three European microstatesMonaco, San Marino, and the Vatican City—maintain open borders for passenger traffic with their neighbors, and are therefore considered de facto members of the Schengen Area due to the practical impossibility of travelling to or from them without transiting through at least one Schengen member country

Hi Lari,

The UK's historic opt-out of the Schengen Agreement, when it was a member state of the EU, is irrelevant.  Brexit has relegated the UK to Third Country Status and UK citizens are now subject to Schengen travel rules.

Kind regards,

Kim

Hew

Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 9:44pm

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Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 9:44pm

There are too many people who still quote “Brexit” as the cause of everything they disagree with, as if it were something that just appeared from nowhere. Brexit was something voted for by the majority of the “citizens” of the UK, it didn’t just appear from nowhere. Yes, the majority of the UK who had the right to vote. But should not concern those who had taken up residency in a foreign country. As far as I am concerned Brexit was not the best choice. But we must get over it and stop blaming and bringing Brexit into every discussion. Let’s all make the best of what we have.

GrahamWL

Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 9:59pm

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Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 9:59pm

Hew wrote on Fri May 13, 2022 9:44pm:

There are too many people who still quote “Brexit” as the cause of everything they disagree with, as if it were something that just appeared from nowhere. Brexit was something voted for by the majority of the “citizens” of the UK, it didn’t just appear from nowhere. Yes, the majority of...

... the UK who had the right to vote. But should not concern those who had taken up residency in a foreign country. As far as I am concerned Brexit was not the best choice. But we must get over it and stop blaming and bringing Brexit into every discussion. Let’s all make the best of what we have.

Actually, it was the majority of those who chose to vote who enabled Brexit. Around thirteen million out of an electorate of 46.5 million did not exercise their right to vote, hence the 17.4  million who voted for it were not the majority of those entitled. You are right to say that it is fruitless to carry on raking over the embers, but there is always a strong case for accuracy when revisiting these matters.

Kimmy11

Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 11:02pm

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Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 11:02pm

Hi Hew and Graham,

You may not like it, but I'm afraid Brexit IS the cause of the issue being discussed.  Prior to Brexit, questions weren't being asked about how Schengen rules affected UK citizens, because they didn't.

Kind regards,

Kim

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