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Hew

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:42pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:42pm

Alfapash wrote on Sun Oct 23, 2022 6:03pm:

You are right in some sense, however the amount of bins in the area are not sufficient. I have had my apartment for 18 years and more homes have been built all over the OC, yet we still have the same amount of bins. We really need double that amount. Especially when more people are here in their ...

...properties. In the winter less people are around. One thing that would help in the paper/ cardboard  bins is open out and flatten cardboard boxes. Last week I went to the bins and found the bin was full of about 4 large boxes. I pulled them out and took off the tape and flattened them which meant there was much more space in the bins. If bins are full people just leave everything next to the bins. Some problems could be solved by people themselves, but we still need more bins.

The Council are richer than ever before as there are more and more homes which equates to a higher income in Suma tax income.

More bins would help as far as cardboard etc is concerned, you are correct. But I am referring to those who dump loads of garden waste, old sofa’s and various broken furniture, the list is endless. The cardboard is emptied every evening in our area, but all the large illegal waste is just left there beside the bins. People who dump this stuff won’t change their mindset or attitude until the council are seen to enforce penalties. In the UK fly tipping definitely includes placing waste beside street bins, it’s a criminal offense, with a fixed penalty of £400 for minor tipping. Larger more serious cases have fines up to £50,000 or 12 months in prison. That does deter fly tippers, and it is enforced as much as is feasibly possible. Of course it still happens, but due to the fear of the consequences, not to the extent that it does in Spain. 

Grannyrose

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:52pm

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We’re on the other side of town and our bins are emptied every night and the huge bins fir garden waste is removed regularly. I’m wondering if it’s different in areas where many Spanish people live. I often think that new man made developments are seen to be non Spanish so unimportant.   That’s the way the bus service seems to work too. I believe Quesada is still waiting 20 years later for a regular bus service.  Seems very unfair to people who buy properties believing that their homes will be provided with all the normal services we come to accept as necessary for everyday living. The Spanish seem to be totally unaware and possibly disinterested. Who should we turn to if the street is strewn with litter? The town hall possibly.  If all the local people in that area withheld their suma, perhaps that might make the council sit up and face reality. 

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:40am

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:40am

Grannyrose wrote on Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:52pm:

We’re on the other side of town and our bins are emptied every night and the huge bins fir garden waste is removed regularly. I’m wondering if it’s different in areas where many Spanish people live. I often think that new man made developments are seen to be non Spanish so unimportant. &nbs...

...p; That’s the way the bus service seems to work too. I believe Quesada is still waiting 20 years later for a regular bus service.  Seems very unfair to people who buy properties believing that their homes will be provided with all the normal services we come to accept as necessary for everyday living. The Spanish seem to be totally unaware and possibly disinterested. Who should we turn to if the street is strewn with litter? The town hall possibly.  If all the local people in that area withheld their suma, perhaps that might make the council sit up and face reality. 

Any road with a pavement and street lighting is the responsibillity of the Council. Grannyrose you live in Torrevieja and I think it has its own council. Once you are out of the Torrevieja area, its the Orihuela Council and its widely acknowledged, that the coast, although it provides the most money plays second fiddle to the Orihuela city area.

The coast has been treated in an abysmal way for years. Poor maintenance of roads, no street cleaning, that I ever see, years of problems with bin collection, broken bins not replaced. Endless cases of over development. Some areas in a very poor condition, due to unsold property, on my Community we still have 4 properties not sold since 2002. This leads to squatters of which we have had on 6 occasions. One still in situ as the bank won't evict them, meanwhile they steal water and electricity from the suppliers. What would happen if we all did that??? We'd be in trouble for certain. The house they live in sticks out like a sore thumb.

The coast has a very high number of foreign property owners and though everyone on the whole rubs along, I don't think in reality we are that welcome, even though it was Spain's idea to build all these property's to attract foreign buyers who have invested billions into the Spanish economy and still are everytime they visit in the case of holiday home owners and full time residents, many who are pensioners who spend their pensions in Spain.

Its a sad state of affairs that the Orihuela council don't see us as an asset.

Care4

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:35pm

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:35pm

John123456 wrote on Sun Oct 9, 2022 2:08pm:

I agree with tebo53 Benidorm is awash with bin collections and street cleaners. Most people turn their noises up at the thought of Benidorm but I've never seen a tourist city so well maintained. If any if you are from the UK  just have to watch the nightly news bulletins to see how unkempt i...

...t is. I know where I prefer!

John123456. just a thought but could it be that the council's in Britain don't have annual local council tax paid by people who only stay for a few weeks per year at their holiday home and take very little out of the council coffers but put a huge amount in?

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aitchc1401

Posted: Fri Nov 4, 2022 5:01pm

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Posted: Fri Nov 4, 2022 5:01pm

Could be one reason why rubbish has been piling up more than usual in Orihuela Costa recently...............

https://www.costa-news.com/latest-news/race-against-clock-to-repair-costa-refuse-trucks/

The maintenance contract ran out in February but a tender to renew has only just gone out this week. 

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tebo53

Posted: Fri Nov 4, 2022 6:03pm

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Care4 wrote on Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:35pm:

John123456. just a thought but could it be that the council's in Britain don't have annual local council tax paid by people who only stay for a few weeks per year at their holiday home and take very little out of the council coffers but put a huge amount in?

I don't think they put a "huge amount in" I'm here permanently and the rubbish collection annual bill is on €112 so hardly a huge amount some have rubbish collection within thier IBI payments. Some second holiday home owners will probably use 6 months worth. 

Steve 

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Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2022 11:21pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2022 11:21pm

This is the same in Cabo Roig too. Brings the area down totally. 😢

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