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paulsav wrote on Sun Aug 2, 2020 5:33pm:

Oh!! but buyers are a godsend, get your house sold asap, rent in Uk if you have to, stay with family if you have to, live in a caravan if need be, put stuff in storage, but get it sold ready to come over. Rent in Spain, dont put yourself under pressure to buy in haste. You,ll have money to get a ...

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...rent contract, its not wasted money if it helps you get the right house in the right place later. Nothing worth having in life comes easy, you got to make it happen. You are starting out late in the day but its not impossible. Where there,s a will, there will be a way. 

Regards

Pauline.

drummera1 wrote on Sun Aug 2, 2020 4:20pm:

Thanks for your encouragement paulsav, it just seems that whichever way we turn there’s another obstacle to try to get past!! The annoying thing is we have ready made buyers for our house and would really like to come over for at least a month to find somewhere we really like; but all the curre...

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...nt restrictions ie lack of travel/ health insurance if we come out against Uk government advice etc prevents us from doing this!! Altogether a complete nightmare!

DavenJules wrote on Sun Aug 2, 2020 7:30pm:

Definitely don't give up. Yes, it is topsy-turvy at the moment but in the long run, things will resolve. We are just waiting for a lift of the issues before our next 1st stage of the move...so watching the FCO / FO advice even if we wouldn't be categorised as using a holiday trip which requires i...

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...nsurance. Spain needs you ;-) Seriously. We are not a drain on the economy and quite the opposite so they have intent.

Nicely said Pauline ...and some good ideas there.

Maybe we should adopt the 'Nike' principle...just do it.

BTW the Citizens Advice Bureau Spain are carrying some good posts as clarity...and all is not doom 'n gloom for the end of the year. There are extended dates.

Long read but here you go...

Spain Contingency Plan No Deal Brexit – Residency, DL and Healthcare

2019March6th

Posted in: Brexit, News Articles,
Author: Richelle de Wit

Contrary to what has been published in some media, this Royal Decree Contingency Plan is not dependent on reciprocity from the UK for all the subjects it covers. With regards to healthcare (including S1, EHIC, S2 and cross border prescriptions), there will be a 2 months grace period, if after that time it appears there is no full reciprocity, that part of the plan will cease to be valid.

For Driving Licences, there is a 9 months grace period. Non residents can continue to drive in Spain with their UK licence during that time, for those that are resident, they will have the opportunity to exchange/renew their licences for a Spanish permit, provided the current EU info exchange system with regards to driving licence entitlements will be maintained during that period. Update Brexit Protocol. After 9 months, the rules for non EU citizens will apply. Update 9.9.2019.

Residency

The main difference between EU and non EU residents is that EU citizens have freedom of movement and that entails being allowed to settle in any of the EU member states.  Non EU citizens who wish to reside in Spain,  need to ask for residency authorisation first, through the Spanish consulate in their homeland. In the case of British citizens already residing here on the 29th of March, there will be other procedures to obtain a TIE certificate and prior authorisation to reside here, where applicable.

With regards to arranging for new residency documentation as non EU residents in Spain, there will be a grace period of 21 months.

All those who have registered as EU residents before the 29th of March, plus those that are residing here but have not applied for residency as yet, will be considered legal residents. The EU resident certificates will remain valid proof of legal residency during this grace period whilst they haven’t been replaced by the new non EU residency document and provided they have not expired (non EU family members of EU residents), all will need to obtain a new residency card to document their status as non EU residents (TIE – Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero) before the end of the grace period.

As we see it, there will be 4 different procedures:

Group I

Those with residency certificates that state they are permanent residents, ´residente comunitario con carácter permanente desde ….´. This certificate will sufficiently accredit a legal and continuous residency of 5 years or more and will entitle you to the TIE for non EU citizens that accredits ´residencia de larga duración´without the need to apply for residency authorisation first.

You’ll need to apply for your TIE personally with the Policia Nacional, but all you need to supply will be: passport, proof of payment of the administrative fee ´tasa´ and a photograph.
The same applies for a non EU family member of a permanent UK resident who also has a permanent residency card.

Group II

Those who have resided in Spain legally for 5 years or more, but don’t have a certificate that confirms this status; those that will have resided in Spain for 5 years at a time during a future period:

These will need to apply for a TIE ´residencia larga duración´ with the Extranjería office in their province, but they will need to accredit their legal and continuous residency first. They will likely be asked to supply other documentation besides the EU residency certificate. Periods of absence from Spain during the 5 years can influence the accreditation negatively.

Those with Spanish contributive pensions can also apply for TIE ´residencia larga duración´ without having resided here for 5 years first.

Group III

Those who reside in Spain legally, so have registered as residents before the 29th of March, but are not considered permanent residents yet (under 5 years):

They will need to apply for a TIE ´residencia temporal´and instructions on how and where to do so are to be published by the Spanish government.

Group IV

Those who reside in Spain but haven’t registered as resident before the 29th of March, so without an EU residency certificate:

They will need to apply for a residency authorisation first, and once that has been resolved positively, apply for a TIE ´residencia temporal´. Instructions on how and where to do so are to be published by the Spanish government.

drummera1 wrote on Sun Aug 2, 2020 11:26pm:

Many thanks DavenJules for the interesting and very in-depth information and also for your encouragement. If we could get definitive answers regarding exactly how much income will be required along with exact qualifications & costs for the Spanish NHS System ( reciprocity would be ideal but c...

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...annot be guaranteed) and also how a drop in income to below the require minimum would affect one of us with regard to status in the event of the others death are all things that we need to factor into any permanent move but are unable to be answered at this time thus making it impossible to make constructive decisions!! Much as we want to come out we don’t want to find ourselves unable to stay and have to then try to sell in Spain and return to the UK !

Angebadge wrote on Sun Aug 2, 2020 11:46pm:

Hi drummera1

Have you read Jim’s guides?

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At the top of this page you’ll find them under their own tab. This is a great starting point and I’m confident you’ll find the answers to lots of your questions 🤪🥂