UK and Spain Vaccine stats - Page 3

Okay, thanks. Again though, what has this got to do with how the UK report vaccination stats?

Aitch.

I never said anything about inflating numbers, did I ?

I never mentioned vaccination stats., I said cases (infections) are dropping. See this article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57976524

 I use worldometers.info/coronavirus/ for my information. 

Absolutely nothing..but as the OP I find it relates quite well to how BJ and his cronies manipulate figures to suit their agenda. As far as lies..all BJ has to do is open his mouth.  No one said anything about inflating figures on fatalaties as that would not be beneficial in any way. Otherwise I'm sure they will. Fatalaties are not base on %age of the adult population. Which is the point of the post. When you said the figures have always been presented the same way from the start by the UK government, that just means that they have manipulated the figures from the start to suit reporting larger percentages. 

Regardless of what you say about BJ lying the stats are not produced by him but compiled from data supplied the various NHS bodies in the UK, the people who actually do the inoculations. The ONS have oversight of the statistics and would report on any variances.

  Assuming you do not think the vaccination figures themselves are false then the point gets back to are the figures being manipulated. No, because the basis of reporting has always been the same. I asked a couple of posts back if you had seen any government produced stats other than the UK and possibly Spain. I suspect you are looking at the various websites that compile government stats from around the globe and show them in a common format. 

The UK stats have been shown in a common format on every popular global website for months. So the country by country comparisons have and still are available for everyone to see. So where is the manipulation?

Aitch.

Aitch.

The thread is about vaccination stats which is why I asked what has your question got to do with vaccination. As you say the answer is nothing.

Aitch.

At the end of the day can anyone put their hand on heart and believe anything government say?

Take the total death figures we are led to believe ,i know of 2 people personally who have passed away during covid.

1) Had been poorly for 5 years and passed away peacfully in hospital

2) A 52 year old friend had a sudden heart attack.

Death certificated cause of death in both cases= Covid .

When relatives questioned coroner report on the elderly guy they could not get a straight answer,were given contradictory stories.

What a load of garbage!!

Pity Guy Fawkes could not be given a second chance!!

The manipulation is. If you do not look at the stats on global sites, which show like for like comparisons. Which most British oiks wont. Then the figures are mis represented. They will see the 80 odd percent figures in the UK and the 50 odd/60 odd figures in Spain without any comprehension that they are not like for like. Hence the idiots that say they are not going abroad because the double jabbed figures are 20 odd percent less in Spain than the UK. This is totally not true. I have yet to see in the UK press that Spain has now exceeded the double jab percentage of the UK.  The UK is talking about putting Spain on the newly designed traffic light system of amber plus because of a rise in cases, which is still around 30,000 per day less than the UK and by the way is now falling again. This misrepresentation of figures is called manipulation and is aimed at the UK inhabitants.

You seem to have quite a low opinion of Brits, oiks and idiots, really?

Your making all sorts of arguments why you think the UK are manipulating the figures but none that make sense to me. The UK set targets for vaccinations from the time they stared the rollout, by age group, they measured themselves against those targets and reported the progress. Simple as that.

 Re infections - yesterday 29,622 UK,  27,743 Spain (worldometers), bearing in mind that the UK population is 68million versus 46 million Spain that is quite a bit more in Spain at the moment. So when you say Spain is still 30,000 per day less than the UK is that what Kim would call a subtle joke or a something else?

Aitch. 

You dont seem to understand what I said on the first post. The UK is using different figures to the rest of the world. Whether they used the same figure from the start is totally irrelevant. The figures are still not comparable. And yes.. I know quite a few British idiots and oiks, one is actually a relative who didnt expect consequences of the past to be applied retrospectively and still wants to visit Spain for longer than 90 days. If you may remember from the first post, what I was pointing out was the difference between %age of adult population (uk stats), %age of the (total) population (used by the rest of the world) and which statistic would look better in governmental terms.