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Mills

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 1:50pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 1:50pm

Stan Bartolome wrote on Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:08pm:

Why are you so dismissive of this news?

I get that you think that "negotiations are ongoing" and "nobody knows where it'll all end up" (to paraphrase) but why are you so ardently committed to dismissing the thoughts of an industry expert?

This is what he does for a living.

Why would he bother commissioning the report if there wasn't a very real risk of it happening?

When did you last come back to England, John?

The mood here's grim.

There's no way May can get any deal agreed by the EU and, more worryingly, significant elements of her own party.

She's staunchly refusing to consider a Peoples Vote, despite over 750,000 people marching through London last week in support of one, so as things stand, the "no deal" option is looking increasingly likely.

And the government's own impact assessments show that it will devastate the economy and have far reaching consequences for Brits in the EU.

Honestly, John, you should be terrified about this, not just glibly dismissing it as "scaremongering" by a biased media.

With all due respect, you're in a bubble & you obviously aren't getting the same news we are in the UK.

Why do you say it will have devastating consequences for Brits in Spain  as long as ex pats are full registered and paperwork in order there is no problem we have lived here for 25 years Spain is our home and always will be  

Stan Bartolome

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 2:00pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 2:00pm

You're not an "expat" (that's just a made-up word used by British exceptionalists who think they're a bit special.)

You're an economic migrant.

Just like all the other EU citizens who've taken advantage of FoM to move to the UK.

Cathiejstead

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:08pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:08pm

Stan.... Give it a rest.

I think we've all got the measure of you. Wouldn't say boo outside the home. 

But boy when you're home in your little computer room tapping away at the keys. You are a force to be reckoned with 😅

You were amusing at the beginning. He says black, Stan says white. She says white, and surprise, surprise, Stan says black. But now you don't raise even a snigger. We are all bored of your negative, aggressive comments. Be it remainers or leavers. Take a deep breath, open the front door, I know it's scary and leave the computer alone. Merry Christmas Stan💖

Stan Bartolome

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:36pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:36pm

I'm over in Spain next week actually and am more than happy to meet up and discuss all this over a coffee.

DM me your details with a time and date and we can set it up.

Cathiejstead

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:03pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:03pm

Good God Stan.

I couldn't think of anything worse...Please.

Oh, or sorry, are you trying to intimate me.

Like I'd be frightened to meet you. Me being a woman and you a scary man.

I'm afraid of noone. I come from a family afraid of noone. So I think I'm doing you a favour by not meeting you in person. 

If you know what I mean.

Be careful who you threatened Stan

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Stan Bartolome

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:11pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:11pm

(A) It was a genuine offer to discuss this over a coffee.

(B) I'm not "intimating" anything. (Or anyone. Not sure that word means what you think it means.)

(C) Who's "Noone?" The Herman's Hermits fella? Why are you afraid of him? And what's he got to do wth this?

Ancient Printer

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:49pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:49pm

How sorry I am to see how people who disagree become steadily more aggressive to each other. It happens in parliament as the opposing sides become more and more heated. It happens on this forum and it happens in everyday life especially as so many of us are deeply worried about Brexit and many other issues arising from it. 

It boils down to a lack of respect for others coupled to a dogged certainty that "I am right and he is wrong". This is the material from which fights break out and later wars are started - because each is CERTAIN he is right. There's a well known politician who is certain she is right - "Because the people voted". 

The same arguments apply to rigidly held religious views - how may wars have been based on religious differences?

Why not reply to aggression with courtesy and the hand of reconciliation? By understanding why the other is agressive one might learn another small lesson of life.

Stan Bartolome

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:51pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:51pm

That's why I offered to buy the coffees.

Ancient Printer

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 5:01pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 5:01pm

Yes, but not all overtures of friendship are reciprocated - thus try, try and try again! Or walk away!

jimtaylor

Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 5:50pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 6, 2018 5:50pm

I don't want anyone on this forum to get the wrong idea and think that if they've legally been resident here then they won't have a problem. 

If the draft agreement isn't ratified, or other arrangements made, then the majority of us will have a serious problem if we want to continue to be legal residents, as non-EU citizens, by law, need to prove that their income is nearly €26,000 p.a.

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