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jimtaylor

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:29pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:29pm

Denise, if you get an S1 and transfer health cover from the NHS to Spain, then you won't qualify for routine treatment in the UK. However, you can get an EHIC-E which will cover emergency treatment in the UK.

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:35pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:35pm

I can understand that, Ray, as there was a lot of confusion between the old system of submitting an FD9 and supporting documents to AEAT, and the current system of just getting a fiscal residency certificate without them seeing the FD9. It wasn't helped by the UK website re the FD9 not reflecting the new procedure when this changed. It may still be possible to use the old system, but I don't know.

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:29pm

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Hi Denise, I rang the DWP as we too thought we,d better apply for residency before Brexit because we didnt want to be restricted to only being allowed to holiday for 90days in a 180day period as a non EU non resident. However they explained we could have our S1 entitlement certificates as pensioners, but would have to sign off our Doctors list and we would have to apply in Spain for a EHICE which is the emergency card to get treatment in UK(note for emergency treatment only similar to the EHIC we use in Spain) ie. not pop into Drs cos my back,s aching or something trivial. As well as that, driving could be a problem, a Spanish resident can not legally drive a UK plated car in Spain and we will be bringing a Van several times with belongings and our own car too. Insurance companies often ask "are you UK resident?" I dont want to lie, like many people do because if I need the insurance, it may not pay out. The tax allowances in Spain are a lot lower, ie. this year rental income can have an extra £1000 tax free allowance if not claiming for any other outgoings(I only pay out for Buildings insurance and a gas check) so we can each disallow £1000 off the income, havent investigated but bet Spain not so favourable. After a lot of checks, I,m staying UK resident until I,m ready to reside permanently as we need a long time(probably a year or more) to refurbish and sell our home. People rushing residencies through before Brexit are the tons of idiots who,ve been living illegally for many years scared they,ll be thrown out or fined heavily for exploiting the system. Trouble is they are causing huge backlogs and waiting time for genuine people wanting to legally reside in spain from day 1.

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:53pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:53pm

In case you,re bit confused Denise, to apply for residencia you need your S1,s for healthcare, so effectively reducing your nhs service in UK, nothing to do with 183 days that cause you to become a tax resident in Spain. The 90days stay out of 180days is a possible visa or travel permit requirement depending on what Spain decides after Brexit. My neighbour has driven a UK plated vehicle in Spain registered to his daughters address, on Spanish Linea Directa insurance taking it back to UK for mot(taxing it online with info from daughter) yet hes been a Spanish resident all that time. I honestly dont know how he gets away with it, argues with police hes a nonresident and doesnt seem to care his insurance is useless as he,s acting illegal. If he has an accident it wont payout, and God help the third party. I couldn,t put up with the stress. 

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:49pm

My husband and I are UK citizens but resident in Spain.  My husband receives the UK state pension, but I am not eligible for this until next year.  My husband gets free healthcare due to the S1 and I do too, as his dependent.  You do NOT need private healthcare.  The townhall at Playa Flamenca now have a SIP desk too.  

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Denise1969

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:53am

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:53am

 Hi Pauline

 I was wondering if you might have the answer to a question. Considering our circumstances are similar, I understand we can spend 90 days in every 180 in Spain. However we would like to spend six months obviously I know we can’t go over that because we do not wish to be tax resident. And I know we can spend six months of the year in Spain but as I understand it that has to be separated however I am imagining this 

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:40am

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:40am

Thank you if you want to spend six months three months at a time,  can this be split as Jan Feb mar - Oct nov Dec ?  If the year is considered to be running Jan to Dec this would work... unless the year is considered differently and it counted as six months consecutive ie then meaning 180 days at one time. As Oct to mar ?  Any ideas ?

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:11am

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:11am

Hi Denise, I dont know when the 180days start, ie. from the date you start your stay in Spain? or from Jan to Dec, but given the date we are no longer in EU it could be 29th March. No one know this yet. Even if its Jan to Dec, you could not stop Oct to Dec thinking thats 1x3mnth visit in old year and if it starts again a new year then continue Jan to March. That would be a continuous 6mnths and thats not what would be permitted as maximum stay for a nonresident is 90days anytime of year so you would have to apply for residency. The new rules(worst case scenario) would only allow 90days, leave for 90days, back for 90days and again leave for 90days. I have decided mid March-mid June, then mid Sept to mid Dec this is to get the best we can get of the warmest times. We are actually going out 24th March to give us few days to sort signing a new updated will before the 29th and upto 29th this shouldnt count as part of 90 days on a new visa or whatever we,ll need to travel on any new rules. However returning home 23rd June to comply.If it is Jan to Dec, maybe you could do as you would want Oct-Dec, but go home after 90days and return immediately without a 90day stay in UK as previous stay not in new year BUT you would have to leave after 90days, which you should have been doing anyway as per old non resident rules. Keep hoping!

Pauline.

Denise1969

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:33am

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:33am

Thank Pauline

What a nightmare I wish we hadn’t bought last June and we would Just go out and rent.  Thanks for your input .  All this is giving me a permanent headache !! 

Denise 

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:20pm

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I have said same thing for 12 yrs, we are resentful with good reason, we,ve had a total ransacking in our first year after paying £5,000 for our belongings to be transported( lost £20,000 belongings, 5 bed house) spanish insurance co. refusing to pay out with a year of stressful wrangling paying solicitors fees, and still getting nothing, a 2nd burglary 1yr later(english insurance Co paid out no problem but not much taken as we only had basic items after 1st ransacking).We then took on a monitored alarm system costing extra 50€ mnth. Conned by translator and architect and spent £20,000 to rebuild bad building works in outbuildings and fell foul of town hall causing us a 14,000€ fine and still a refusal to make legal. Scammed by a Brit "builder?" Ged Dobbs from Rojales who "repaired leaking tiled solarium caused by freak hailstorm" who charged us 3000€ and left me with more leaks than beforehand and refused to return and repair, and left us to pay again 3000€ to another builder to cure his bad workmanship.We also had land taken by Renfe for new AVI traintrack and given a pathetic compensation which dodgy solicitor said couldnt be contested(found out later our spanish neighbours had received over 10xmore per sq mtr. Be thankful if all your time since buying has been good and treasure your stays even if 90 days at a time. I had to give up work as with all the stress in last 10yrs, had a heart attack in 2014 and now been left with heart failure and my poor hubby finally retired in November at 75yrs old due to needing all his earnings to cover the aforementioned outlays. All we want now is to be able to stay in our spanish home for long stays which we havent been able to with his working and now Brexit is ruining even that. We will work with the 90day rule but wish we could have returned sooner to enjoy best of summer. We have researched the CGT issue and despite what some others have said, after 40yrs in present home with a big profit, we are not prepared to lose any more money to Spain by staying 183 days in same year as selling causing fiscal residency. We will sell(if and when we,ve refurbished) and ensure our first residency year is much less than 183 days even if we holiday in another non EU country for a long period. You probably purchased and not rented as you felt rent was a waste of money as we too did, but take comfort in the possibility as non resident homeowners there may be a more favourable set of rules we could be considered for. Keep your chin up, we watch every update and its still all up in the air.

Pauline.

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