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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:43pm
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Allan 01

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Hi , I have a VW t4 transporter ,autocaravana Which has an electrical problem common on these and , . My oil light has been flashing for over a year since I bought it, and I know it is not a problem , I am now selling the van ,unfortunately most people don’t understand that this is just typical of that year of van ,and that it’s just an annoying wee gremlin , and not a big problem . 

I am needing a person who knows how to fix this problem ,I have changed the 2 oil switches ,to no avail , and would like it fixed ,so as I can sell it without people thinking it has a major problem . Looking for a good electrician who can repair this please .

Anyone know anyone please ? 

Darro

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:17am

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:17am

There are a number of facets to this problem and to fix it you need to accurately diagnose what is happening and under which circumstances.

The below is shamelessly lifted from tbe Internet.

"Why are there so many oil pressure warning problems on VW vehicles?

As usual VW has designed an overly-complex solution to a relatively simple problem – oil pressure monitoring. Because of the complexity of the DOP system, it has led to lots of problems with the system itself rather than real oil pressure issues. Although it has to be said that such is the unreliability of DOP, that real oil pressure problems are sometimes ignored based upon the assumption that it is a ‘wiring fault’ or indeed vice-versa. It should be noted that VW abandoned DOP on later vehicles after about 2000/2001, and also on later (1999 onwards) 2.5TDi T4’s. So if you have a problem with oil pressure on one of these it is likely to be oil pressure sensor, wiring or an actual mechanical problem.

So what is DOP?
VAG vehicles have been using the DOP (dynamic oil pressure warning) system since the 1980’s, this means that two oil pressure switches and engine RPM are used to determine oil pressure rather than the system of a single switch.

The VW rationale behind the DOP system is that low oil pressure problems are typical of high-mileage VAG engines with worn bearings and oil that is hot (and thin). The combination of thin oil and worn main bearings means that the oil pressure is marginal at lower RPM where the oil pump is not spinning as fast at idle speeds as it does when driving.

In order to address this perceived problem, the system basically monitors the low pressure sensor when the engine is below 2000 rpm and the high pressure sensor above 2000 RPM. This is done via the instrument panel which uses the ‘w’ terminal on the alternator to measure engine RPM and two switches – one on the head – It is normally closed and opens at (I think) ~0.3 bar ..and one on the oil filter housing – this is normally open and closes at a fairly high pressure depending on engine type (1.4 bar for normally aspirated diesels and some TDs, and 1.9 bar for MK3 tdi (again – I think))…

DIAGNOSING FAULTS WITH THE DOP SYSTEM
The instrument cluster only monitors the oil filter housing sensor when the engine is over 1800 – 2000RPM and if this sensor is not switched by 1800-2000 RPM the oil buzzer will sound and the oil pressure light will also flash. The body of the sensor is typically white, grey, or black in colour and is connected to the wiring harness with a yellow wire.

A. To test the high pressure sensor circuit and wiring (sensor for this is on the oil filter housing):

1. Disconnect the wire to the high pressure sensor on the filter housing and let it float (un-connected).
2. The oil buzzer should now come on and indicator will flash when the van engine speed is above 2000 RPM.
3. Now connect the yellow wire to ground and rev the engine past 2000 RPM… the buzzer should not sound at all.
4. If you fail either of these tests you have sensor issues, wiring, alternator wiring, or instrument cluster issues.

To test the sensor itself:
A test light between the sensor and the positive battery terminal should be ‘off’ at warm idle and come ‘on’ as you rev to 1800-2k RPM, if the sensor on the flange is working properly. If the buzzer still sounds with the wire to the sensor grounded the problem is most likely the wiring to the instrument cluster.

B. To test the low pressure sensor (sensor for this is on the cylinder head):

1. Disconnect the wire to the sensor and leave it float.
2. Connect a test light between +12V batt and the sensor.
2. Start the van and leave it idle – the light should go off – if it doesn’t the you have a faulty sensor.
3. If it does and the oil light is still flashing then you have either a wiring fault or the engine speed signal from the alternator is missing.

So, the long and short is:

A flashing oil light, on its own at engine speeds of <2k RPM is a function of the low pressure sensor on the cyl. head. If the indicator stops flashing at engine speeds over 2k RPM then you should look at the low pressure sensor and associated wiring.

A flashing oil light and buzzer are both a function of the high-pressure sensor on the filter housing. If this is happening you should look at the high pressure sensor and associated wiring.

The high pressure sensor on the oil filter flange is only monitored when the engine is running at or over 1800-2000 RPM.


A flashing oil light at all engine speeds (and without buzzer above 2k RPM) is indicative of a missing engine speed signal (alternator ‘w’ terminal) – check to make sure that the instrument cluster is getting the correct engine speed signal from the w terminal of the alternator."

Allan 01

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:59am

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:59am

Darro wrote on Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:17am:

There are a number of facets to this problem and to fix it you need to accurately diagnose what is happening and under which circumstances.

The below is shamelessly lifted from tbe Internet.

"Why are there so many oil pressure warning problems on VW vehicles?

As usual VW has designed an overly-complex solution to a relatively simple problem – oil pressure monitoring. Because of the complexity of the DOP system, it has led to lots of problems with the system itself rather than real oil pressure issues. Although it has to be said that such is the unreliability of DOP, that real oil pressure problems are sometimes ignored based upon the assumption that it is a ‘wiring fault’ or indeed vice-versa. It should be noted that VW abandoned DOP on later vehicles after about 2000/2001, and also on later (1999 onwards) 2.5TDi T4’s. So if you have a problem with oil pressure on one of these it is likely to be oil pressure sensor, wiring or an actual mechanical problem.

So what is DOP?
VAG vehicles have been using the DOP (dynamic oil pressure warning) system since the 1980’s, this means that two oil pressure switches and engine RPM are used to determine oil pressure rather than the system of a single switch.

The VW rationale behind the DOP system is that low oil pressure problems are typical of high-mileage VAG engines with worn bearings and oil that is hot (and thin). The combination of thin oil and worn main bearings means that the oil pressure is marginal at lower RPM where the oil pump is not spinning as fast at idle speeds as it does when driving.

In order to address this perceived problem, the system basically monitors the low pressure sensor when the engine is below 2000 rpm and the high pressure sensor above 2000 RPM. This is done via the instrument panel which uses the ‘w’ terminal on the alternator to measure engine RPM and two switches – one on the head – It is normally closed and opens at (I think) ~0.3 bar ..and one on the oil filter housing – this is normally open and closes at a fairly high pressure depending on engine type (1.4 bar for normally aspirated diesels and some TDs, and 1.9 bar for MK3 tdi (again – I think))…

DIAGNOSING FAULTS WITH THE DOP SYSTEM
The instrument cluster only monitors the oil filter housing sensor when the engine is over 1800 – 2000RPM and if this sensor is not switched by 1800-2000 RPM the oil buzzer will sound and the oil pressure light will also flash. The body of the sensor is typically white, grey, or black in colour and is connected to the wiring harness with a yellow wire.

A. To test the high pressure sensor circuit and wiring (sensor for this is on the oil filter housing):

1. Disconnect the wire to the high pressure sensor on the filter housing and let it float (un-connected).
2. The oil buzzer should now come on and indicator will flash when the van engine speed is above 2000 RPM.
3. Now connect the yellow wire to ground and rev the engine past 2000 RPM… the buzzer should not sound at all.
4. If you fail either of these tests you have sensor issues, wiring, alternator wiring, or instrument cluster issues.

To test the sensor itself:
A test light between the sensor and the positive battery terminal should be ‘off’ at warm idle and come ‘on’ as you rev to 1800-2k RPM, if the sensor on the flange is working properly. If the buzzer still sounds with the wire to the sensor grounded the problem is most likely the wiring to the instrument cluster.

B. To test the low pressure sensor (sensor for this is on the cylinder head):

1. Disconnect the wire to the sensor and leave it float.
2. Connect a test light between +12V batt and the sensor.
2. Start the van and leave it idle – the light should go off – if it doesn’t the you have a faulty sensor.
3. If it does and the oil light is still flashing then you have either a wiring fault or the engine speed signal from the alternator is missing.

So, the long and short is:

A flashing oil light, on its own at engine speeds of <2k RPM is a function of the low pressure sensor on the cyl. head. If the indicator stops flashing at engine speeds over 2k RPM then you should look at the low pressure sensor and associated wiring.

A flashing oil light and buzzer are both a function of the high-pressure sensor on the filter housing. If this is happening you should look at the high pressure sensor and associated wiring.

The high pressure sensor on the oil filter flange is only monitored when the engine is running at or over 1800-2000 RPM.


A flashing oil light at all engine speeds (and without buzzer above 2k RPM) is indicative of a missing engine speed signal (alternator ‘w’ terminal) – check to make sure that the instrument cluster is getting the correct engine speed signal from the w terminal of the alternator."

Hi , I.  It sure if my reply was sent to you ,,I can’t see it anywhere ,but just in case it hasn’t sent ..thanks very much , that is very useful info ,I will check it out ,

I have an appointment with an electrician a week on Monday 

Thanks again 

Allan 

Saddlepillar

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:00pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:00pm

Go to a VW dealership.  I go to the main dealer with my car. If it's not fixed they will do it again.  Im  fed up with chancers robbing me.  

Allan 01

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:08pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:08pm

Saddlepillar wrote on Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:00pm:

Go to a VW dealership.  I go to the main dealer with my car. If it's not fixed they will do it again.  Im  fed up with chancers robbing me.  

Yep I know where you are coming from ,but VW garages are extortionate ,so ,I ll see how I get on with a recommended electrician first ,and take it from there ,

Thanks 

Allan 

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:41pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:41pm

Allan 01 wrote on Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:08pm:

Yep I know where you are coming from ,but VW garages are extortionate ,so ,I ll see how I get on with a recommended electrician first ,and take it from there ,

Thanks 

Allan 

They are not much dearer than the chancer in a shed. He will charge the same labour.  My air con was dodgy and I brought it to a guy who advertised in the forum.  He said it needed to be re gassed 80 euro.  Before I got home it was blowing hot again.  I went to Chevrolet main dealer. The said it was a broken connection, fixed it and regassed it. 120.  I have the official work invoice if it stops.  No more cowboys for me.

Allan 01

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:43pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:43pm

Saddlepillar wrote on Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:41pm:

They are not much dearer than the chancer in a shed. He will charge the same labour.  My air con was dodgy and I brought it to a guy who advertised in the forum.  He said it needed to be re gassed 80 euro.  Before I got home it was blowing hot again.  I went to Chevrolet main ...

...dealer. The said it was a broken connection, fixed it and regassed it. 120.  I have the official work invoice if it stops.  No more cowboys for me.

Yep ,I know , I’ve had a few experiences myself ,,Hopefully got someone ,but also got another recommendation ,..time will tell 

Thanks 

Allan 

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:50am

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:50am

Saddlepillar wrote on Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:41pm:

They are not much dearer than the chancer in a shed. He will charge the same labour.  My air con was dodgy and I brought it to a guy who advertised in the forum.  He said it needed to be re gassed 80 euro.  Before I got home it was blowing hot again.  I went to Chevrolet main ...

...dealer. The said it was a broken connection, fixed it and regassed it. 120.  I have the official work invoice if it stops.  No more cowboys for me.

Too many back street garages and “air-con experts” advertise for cheap regassing, commonly viewed as the fix to non working air-con….if a vehicle needs regassing, it means the original gas has gone - could be through a tiny hole on a pipe, loose connection etc. An air-con system should have no leaks whatsoever, if it has and it is simply regassed it’s the same analogy as filling a bucket of water that has a tiny hole in it….

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:11pm

Allan 01 wrote on Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:43pm:

Yep ,I know , I’ve had a few experiences myself ,,Hopefully got someone ,but also got another recommendation ,..time will tell 

Thanks 

Allan 

Do let us know how you get on - whether you can recommend someone. 

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:59pm

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:59pm

 An air-con system should have no leaks whatsoever, if it has and it is simply re gassed it’s the same analogy as filling a bucket of water that has a tiny hole in it…. Exactly

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