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geoffllo

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:32pm

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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:32pm

I've been frowned upon in the past for expressing my surprise at people's reactions (or rather lack of them) to my posts, but this thread truly illustrates what I have tried to say previously. 

I spent at least 30 minutes thinking about, and typing out, an answer to PaddyW's question. Jim Taylor and patsyd have commented, but not a word from PaddyW.

Please tell me, does anyone else find this surprising, or is it just me and my old-fashioned values??

The sad thing is that it puts me off trying to help others.

Geoff.

jimtaylor

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:18am

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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:18am

The OP thanked me Geoff. I did at the time notice that he didn't post his thanks for your reply, but assumed he must have clicked the 'This is helpful' button, as I saw that four people plus myself had done that.

One of the things I do every month is click both the bell icon at top right, and the green your posts button, and run through what they show. That enables me to build up my own black-list of people I've tried to help and who haven't responded.

Like yourself, I just don't understand people who ask a question and then don't acknowledge that. Perhaps it is just our old-fashioned values, but I'm certainly not going to spend time on responding again to people on my blacklist.

PaddyW

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:57am

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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:57am

Can I just start for apologising for not responding promptly to the help that I was given on this forum.  It was not intended to cause offence or to be blasé.  I appreciate the helpful suggestions I was given.  In mitigation all I can say was that some personal family issues distracted me over the last week or so.  In addition I am new to the forum and not fully aware of the norms and conventions.  I certainly did not think that my lack of a proper written response would lead to issues of blacklisting etc. I stand chastised and suitably reprimanded.  I will know for the future.

PaddyW

geoffllo

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:58am

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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:58am

PaddyW, thank you for your apologies, which I appreciate.

I don't think this issue is about the norms and conventions of the forum, for me it's more about what I expect from folk as everyday courtesy, but I do acknowledge that my expectations are probably the stuff of a bygone era.

Good luck with your pool!

Geoff.

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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:21am

patsyd wrote on Mon Apr 2, 2018 9:23pm:

Hi. We are more or less in the same situation as yourself...what do you mean by putting the pool to sleep ?

Rent it out ,and have it looked after, may be a good idea.

We rent ,but have to move out July and August as they can get more money for the high season.

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Janice51

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:46pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:46pm

Hi Paddy,

I have a 10metre x 5 metre pool, somewhere else in Europe, but a pool nevertheless! As it is used for more or less the same period as you use yours, we winterise the pool with a specific product. The instructions for the quantity and any other details you need to know will be on the canister. We have always used Bayer, not necessarily the cheapest, but gives us a little more peace of mind regarding quality. It is simple, as long as you close your pool after cleaning it and yes, I use a cover.

When we open the cover, say in June, the pool is perfectly clean except for the rebel leaf or two. We do wash the cover and let it dry before packing it away, and ‘shock’ the pool water with fast dissolving chlorine tablets and all other necessary bits and bobs. This way you have no costs while it is closed, but have to consider the costs of the winterising and the wake up operations, and the pool cover (I’ve had mine for 10 years and it is still going strong). But you will save on maintenance and electricity. 

Hope this is helpful to you in making your decision.

Janice

AndyCart

Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 8:29pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 8:29pm

geoffllo wrote on Tue Apr 3, 2018 10:31am:

PaddyW, my good friend Jim says he's no expert, but he's pretty much spot-on!

I spent over 10 years maintaining pools (up to 30 at a time) and I've repaired hundreds more.

Firstly, I would NEVER advise leaving the pool empty for any length of time. As Jim says, the water helps to keep it stable and stops the grout and tile adhesive from failing. Don't forget, an average 8 x 4 pool contains 40-odd tons of water, which helps to keep the sides apart!. Also, if you empty the pool, and it rains, you will have a big puddle of dirty, often sandy, water in the bottom. This will be a magnet for any rubbish, leaves, plastic bags etc that are blowing about. The resulting filthy cocktail will stain the grout, whilst it's busy being a breeding ground for mosquitoes. The effort of cleaning all this out alone will make you wish you'd kept it full, trust me! When the pool is full again, you'll very likely need to replace the pool pump, as it will have seized up through lack of use in a damp environment.

So, as you can tell, I favour keeping pools full and topped-up with water and the necessary chemicals. You really need someone to keep an eye on it at least once a fortnight in winter and once a week in summer. All the private pools that I used to look after were visited once a week from the end of September round to April, and twice a week during the summer. The pump running time can be reduced in the winter, but as already mentioned, the pump ideally needs to run daily, if only for a short period. I run my pump/filter for 2 or 3 hours in the winter and 7 or 8 hours in the summer (depending upon bather load). As Jim says, it's not essential to remove the dirt, but a backwash every month or so is a good idea, even if only for 30 seconds or so, because if the filter gets too clogged up it will put extra pressure on the pump and the sand filter, and could cause a leak. 

I am not a lover of pool covers - to me the water never seems to be so "happy" if it can't "breathe" and so (purely my experience) the water balance is more difficult to maintain in a covered pool. That said, obviously I accept that a cover keeps a lot of debris out of the pool. Another problem with a cover is that rainwater often gathers in a big puddle in the middle on top of it, putting an enormous strain on the cover's fixings, and creating a filthy cocktail like the one mentioned earlier, which is difficult to get rid of (if it's big enough, you can't lift the cover to tip the water away either).

Summing up, I think overall it will be beneficial for you to keep the pool going year-round, and to find someone to keep an eye on it (maybe a neighbour?). Apart from anything else, if you arrive to an empty pool, by the time you've cleaned it, filled it, added various chemicals to balance the water and waited for them to work, and waited for the water to warm up, you'll have missed a significant period of your holiday when you could have been enjoying the pool. How much nicer to be swimming a couple of hours after your plane lands!

Please feel free to send me a pm if you've got any more questions.

Geoff.

Hi Geoff,
Do you know if it is illegal to leave a pool half empty with green mosquito infested water.

Can you direct me to a good place to search the relevant law if it exists, talking about the Moraira area.

Thanks
Andy.
VictorEmman

Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 9:32pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 9:32pm

jimtaylor wrote on Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:19pm:

I can't give you a full answer, but you couldn't leave it for 9 months without maintenance.

In winter you might get away with vacuuming it and backwashing, then putting a large dose of slow-release chlorine in it, and a cover to prevent the accumulation or air-born dust and leaves etc, as well as preventing evaporation. By excluding light, this will also help to prevent or slow the grow...

...th of algae.

However, algae will grow at virtually any temperature, albeit slowly at very low temperatures. Get over 10 degrees and it can grow actively. I don't measure our pool's temperature in winter, but I doubt if it gets below 10 degrees at any time. So for most of the year there will be algal growth if it's left untreated.

My conclusion is that you couldn't leave it without maintenance for 9 months of the year unless, of course, you emptied it. That might be an option, as the cost of water to refill it could well be less than paying someone to maintain it. However, it's not something I'd consider myself. In most areas there will always be some ground movement, and without water in the pool to support the walls and bottom, these could end up cracking. It would also leave the pool open to being damaged if there's an earthquake or tremor.

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To empty the water pool is the worse thing to do : the dry and the sun will broke the joins of the tiles, dammage the bottom. So yes, to have a pool cost a lot, just for 3 months per year.

One of the thing it's to cover the filled pool, to avoid any leaves or other organic matter to fall in. Then a progamming cycle for the pump, and someone to check the pool around each 10 days in winter.

VictorEmman

Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 9:39pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 9:39pm

AndyCart wrote on Tue Sep 5, 2023 8:29pm:

Hi Geoff,
Do you know if it is illegal to leave a pool half empty with green mosquito infested water.

Can you direct me to a good place to search the relevant law if it exists, talking about the Moraira area.

Thanks
Andy.

Hi

Just see this post is very old. I think you got a problem with one of your neighbourg, neglecting his pool, and embarrassing their neighbourgs. Most of the cities of alicante region need to spread product against mosquitos, the tiger one can be harmfull. So speak to your neighbourg, or go to the town hall and explain the problem. Mosquitos is a danger for all of us. Good luck

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Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 10:51pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 5, 2023 10:51pm

VictorEmman wrote on Tue Sep 5, 2023 9:39pm:

Hi

Just see this post is very old. I think you got a problem with one of your neighbourg, neglecting his pool, and embarrassing their neighbourgs. Most of the cities of alicante region need to spread product against mosquitos, the tiger one can be harmfull. So speak to your neighbourg, or go to the ...

...town hall and explain the problem. Mosquitos is a danger for all of us. Good luck

Thanks Victor,

We are not in Spain at the moment so maybe the town hall could be emailed, the pool owners unsurprisingly will not reply.

I was wondering if anyone knew if it was against the law in Spain to leave a pool as described, green smelly water and mosquito infested.

Thanks

Andy.

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