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Residency

Posted: Tue Oct 8, 2019 9:23pm
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robjan1

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My wife and I  want to retire and live in Spain permanently next year. I will be 63. Is it too late to get residency started. We have a house in campoverde but live in uk at the moment  . Any help or advice or previous experience  would be much appreciated.  Thanks 

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Posted: Tue Oct 8, 2019 10:22pm

At risk of stating the obvious to get residence you need to live here!

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Posted: Tue Oct 8, 2019 10:37pm

You won't get it before Brexit's current timescale .... just 3 weeks away.

If Brexit happens on 31/10, you will need a much higher income than at present to qualify for Residency.

The newsfeeds are buzzing about another possible extension, maybe until mid-2020. So you might still have a chance.

Paul1000

Wed Oct 9, 2019 11:09am

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Posted: Wed Oct 9, 2019 11:09am

I have just moved over to Spain and having recently made extensive enquires about obtaining Residencia I can give you the information I have received:-

Firstly, you will be unable to apply for Residencia until you are actually living in Spain and then probably not until at least 3 months after you arrive as it is necessary to demonstrate that you are financially viable and this is usually by showing 3 months Spanish bank account statements with regular incomes like pensions etc but bear in mind that the exact criteria can vary between regions.

Due to the uncertainty over how and when the UK will leave the EU, Spain have not been issuing Residencia appointments recently or at least they have issued very few because the process and the criteria of applying for Residencia is different depending on whether or not the UK is part of the EU and Spain is waiting to see which way it all goes.

As Kelvin says, When the UK leaves the EU, the financial aspect of eligibility will be very different with a much higher income threshold to achieve and applications would need to be made via the Spanish Consuls in the UK and not in Spain as is the case now.

jimtaylor

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Posted: Wed Oct 9, 2019 3:49pm

Some police stations accept UK bank statements.

You can apply for residency on the day you arrive.

The appointments system is down for everyone - irrespective of what nationality you declare.

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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:08pm

Paul1000 wrote on Wed Oct 9, 2019 11:09am:

I have just moved over to Spain and having recently made extensive enquires about obtaining Residencia I can give you the information I have received:-

Firstly, you will be unable to apply for Residencia until you are actually living in Spain and then probably not until at least 3 months after you arrive as it is necessary to demonstrate that you are financially viable and this is usually by showing 3 months Spanish bank account statements with regular incomes like pensions etc but bear in mind that the exact criteria can vary between regions.

Due to the uncertainty over how and when the UK will leave the EU, Spain have not been issuing Residencia appointments recently or at least they have issued very few because the process and the criteria of applying for Residencia is different depending on whether or not the UK is part of the EU and Spain is waiting to see which way it all goes.

As Kelvin says, When the UK leaves the EU, the financial aspect of eligibility will be very different with a much higher income threshold to achieve and applications would need to be made via the Spanish Consuls in the UK and not in Spain as is the case now.

Evening - just wanted to check that after Brexit it's confirmed that the bit above regarding needing to apply for residency at the Spanish consulate in London or other UK cities is the way to go.

This suggests that you would apply before you went over to Spain and perhaps before buying a house. In my mind, although financial criteria might be higher, I'd likely be happier with an approval, or otherwise, before committing as is the case at the moment.

So hoping a few voices call out and confirm that it is correct or provide a link to confirm.

Thanks

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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:19pm

Lancelot wrote on Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:08pm:

Evening - just wanted to check that after Brexit it's confirmed that the bit above regarding needing to apply for residency at the Spanish consulate in London or other UK cities is the way to go.

This suggests that you would apply before you went over to Spain and perhaps before buying a house. In my mind, although financial criteria might be higher, I'd likely be happier with an approval, or otherwise, before committing as is the case at the moment.

So hoping a few voices call out and confirm that it is correct or provide a link to confirm.

Thanks

Very interesting,  and in many ways makes sense that the application should be considered in the originating country prior to granting Residencia. I'm not sure how that would work.

The whole subject is interesting and full of potential flaws. For example there would be many people who couldn't meet the income criteria being rumoured, but after selling UK assets would have large savings pots and perhaps property investments delivering rental income below the 2400 euro monthly threshold being talked about. So, somewhere along the line I don't think this income criteria being rumoured will be firmly applied.

Interesting times...

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:05pm

I explained how it would work here:

Jim's Guide - Post-Brexit entry visa requirements to take up residency in Spain

The income requirement isn't rumoured - it's spelled out in Real Decreto 557/2011.

This very clearly states 400% IPREM:

Artículo 47. Medios económicos a acreditar para la obtención de una autorización de residencia temporal.

1. Los extranjeros que deseen residir en España sin realizar una actividad laboral o lucrativa deberán contar con medios económicos suficientes para el periodo de residencia que solicitan, o acreditar una fuente de percepción periódica de ingresos, para sí mismo y, en su caso, su familia, en las siguientes cuantías, que se establecen con carácter de mínimas y referidas al momento de solicitud del visado o de renovación de la autorización:

a) Para su sostenimiento, durante su residencia en España, una cantidad que represente mensualmente en euros el 400% del IPREM, o su equivalente legal en moneda extranjera.

b) Para el sostenimiento de cada uno de los familiares a su cargo, durante su residencia en España, una cantidad que represente mensualmente en euros el 100% del IPREM, o su equivalente legal en moneda extranjera, cantidad a acreditar de forma adicional a la referida en el apartado a) anterior.

2. En ambos casos, la cuantía global de medios económicos habrá de suponer la disposición de la cuantía mensual calculada con base a lo establecido en el apartado anterior, en relación con el tiempo de vigencia de la autorización solicitada.

3. La disponibilidad de medios económicos suficientes se acreditará mediante la presentación de la documentación que permita verificar la percepción de ingresos periódicos y suficientes o la tenencia de un patrimonio que garantice dicha percepción de ingresos.

La disponibilidad se podrá acreditar por cualquier medio de prueba admitido en Derecho, incluyendo la aportación de títulos de propiedad, cheques certificados o tarjetas de crédito, que deberán ir acompañados de una certificación bancaria que acredite la cantidad disponible como crédito de la citada tarjeta.

Clause 3 is interesting, as owning a property counts towards the financial requirement, but the way it's written to me means that it only counts if the property is generating an income.

4 x the 2019 IPREM is €2151 monthly. It would have been higher, but the 2019 budget law wasn't passed. If it's anything like residency certificate requirements, expect this figure to be loaded by about 10%, so €2400 sounds about right.

We'll just have to wait and see what the London and Edinburgh consulates say when they update their websites post-Brexit.

It certainly makes sense to get prior approval of suitability for residence before moving to Spain. However, the possible problem is that the consulates, being part of the ministry of the exterior, seem to stick to the letter of the law, whereas some of the national police stations here ignore the law and make up their own rules, some of which are more lenient.

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Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:06pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:06pm

"4 x the 2019 IPREM is €2151/2400 monthly" - Jim, is this figure per person, I assume it is but not sure.

Thank you.

Lancelot

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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:17pm

b) For the support of each of the family members in charge, during their residence in Spain, an amount that represents 100% of the IPREM monthly, or its legal equivalent in foreign currency, amount to be credited in addition to the referred to in section a) above.
I think it's 4x for the main applicant and 1x for dependent family members - it is in English I think on one of Jim's guides but if you run point a and b through a translator on google you can see roughly what it says.The way I have interpreted the above extract is that you must either have sufficient funds for the period of your residency period requested. This could be a suitable cash sum deposited in a Spanish bank. It could also be something from which you can draw income such as an accessible pension or another class of liquid asset, though I'd not relish having a conversation with a Spanish policeman about some of this.

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