The unintended consequences of Brexit ? - Page 104

Paul wrote on Mon Mar 3, 2025 11:01am:

My point is it was never a majority, I'd argue that the 12 million or so non voters were honest enough to admit that they didn't understand it or that it was far too complex to put to a largely uneducated public (me included) with a simple yes or no choice.

I'm guessing you voted leave and if you did can you be honest about how much thought you gave to the land border between NI and the EU, how our fishermen would sell their catch, our joint science through horizon, the erasmus scheme, our returns agreement through the Dublin agreement and the 90/18...

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...0 rule. If I had the time and inclination I could add to that but I think I've made my point.

Villas wrote on Mon Mar 3, 2025 7:58pm:

Much I read on this forum is about the referendum ( years back). There is more on here regarding the subsequent consequences ( hence concentrated on this post). 

Every day, there are global & UK brexit news reports together with Spanish local discussions about the ongoing brexit dis/advantages. Some include UK immigrants who have moved over here, before after & during the transition. I have not visited the UK for quite some time, but those who vis...

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...it here don't seem to sense that things have " just moved on". With regards to the Ukraine war & UK's support involvement in Europe has highlighted it more so. V

aitchc1401 wrote on Tue Mar 4, 2025 10:57am:

To repeat, the most I read about Brexit is on this forum, which is fine and yes, this is the brexit section. Repeatedly going on about the referendum vote however is pointless, in my opinion. Only 60% of people eligible to vote went to the polls in the 2024 election. Labour got 33.7% of the vote,...

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... so roughly 21% of the electorate got a party with a 167 seat majority voted into power. That is how the UK voting system works and it's has been the same for many years.

  Yes the UK are involved in the Ukraine crisis, probably leading the initatives at the moment That's as much to do with our NATO role as anything.  I would say the current situation just highlights the lack of EU co-ordination on defence across the 27 members. 

Rgds,

Aitch.

George55 wrote on Mon Mar 3, 2025 3:14pm:

I think for the overwhleming amount of the British electorate - they've simply moved on and have had way more important things to deal with given COVID and the cost of living "crisis".

I don't think it really even featured as an issue in the 2024 election - in fairness, I think Labour could have had a gorilla in charge with a red rosette and they'd have still won a landslide such was the extent that everyone was peeved off with the Conservatives....

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And the reality is - not much has really changed as far as I can see for the average person.There is talk of growth - but not necessarily backed up by the policies; but would it have been any different if the Tories were in charge. Almost certainly not.

From my perspective, I want less politicians in my life - I don't want them thinking they know how I would want my taxes spent or what I would want it spent on.

And I certainly don't want to have to listen to JD Vance coming out with total and utter nonsense in an attempt to belittle an elected leader whose country has been invaded.

Paul wrote on Tue Mar 4, 2025 11:31am:

We've all moved on but just like any other historical event it will be discussed from time to time, you can join in or opt out.

As for the current government? I personally think they're doing a good job, NHS waiting lists down for 5 consecutive months, assylum backlog steadily being reduced, breakfast clubs in all primary schools and repairing the damaged relationship with our European neighbours all in a few months....

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Villas wrote on Tue Mar 4, 2025 11:53am:

Concur. I have never ever tended towards left ( or labour) in my life, but I must agree with your post. V

RonTT wrote on Tue Mar 4, 2025 1:25pm:

I can only surmise that you have mild to severe sunstroke.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50677-how-do-britons-feel-about-the-first-100-days-of-labour-government

Paul wrote on Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:04pm:

The polling doesn't surprise me at all, there's been a barage of abuse from the media in support of wealthy land owners trying to avoid paying inheritance tax, everyone wants better public services but nobody wants to pay for them.