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Steveyjoanna

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:03am

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:03am

It is a myth that "old folks" voted for Brexit,I would have voted to remain had I had a vote,resident in Spain at time so disenfranchised.

Toured Yorkshire,Holmforth area,all the young folk I met and spoke to voted for Brexit ,I was amazed as all I heard  on the BBC was pensioners =Brexit everyone else =remain,realised then that people felt stifled and wanted a new beginning,they were not scared off by "Project fear".

Yorkshire has always been forward thinking and not afraid of chalkenges.

Perhaps if those in London areas had a bit of backbone and "can do" instead of settling for being safe in a "cosy warm place"(EU) where they are wrapped in regulations and free thinking is stifled ,then they also could benefit from fending for themselves.

Bit like kids staying at home with their parents until they are middle aged instead of getting out on their own,living off the "milk and honey" and scared of having to work for a living.

Brexit is an oppertunity to shake off the ever tightening shackles of the EU ,hopefully the working age Brits have got the grit of past generations to sieze the oppertunity .

BeniSnowbird

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:06am

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:06am

briret wrote on Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:42am:

This should be here too

Balmer9 wrote on Wed Feb 5, 2020 6:33pm:

Hopefully the corrupt EU will collapse in the next 10 years, and the next generation of spongers like the Kinnocks will have to earn their money like the rest of us. 

More likely is that whatever is left of the UK will be begging to join the EU once more in ten years or so due to economic difficulties as was the case when joining only the Euro will be the currency not the pound and "they" will be setting the rules and not was negotiated by Thatcher and Cameron. BJ will go down in history as a laughing stock as did the people who turned the referendum opinion poll into legislation as will May signing by the exit forms.

The only people I know who admitted to voting leave are now dead. Those who voted remain are alive although a few have lost their jobs due to companies they worked for closing and blaming the "leave" result. 

I still have yet to hear from anyone who did vote leave give proper reasons  as to how UK will be better off?

Two swimming pools one with clean water chemically balanced and the other swimming pool with unknown contents - leavers voted to jump in the latter one! And for those who don´t understand "turkeys voting for Christmas" which has been sited is the same thing unless your vegetarian!


Thank you for that.

So there you go now you folk who voted leave.... see, you are stupid & brainless..... superior knowledge once again tells you what you should have done 😜. Fools, the lot of you.

Scotland will soon have the Euro, let’s see how that works out 😂....

Steveyjoanna

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:19am

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:19am

There you go,proved my point,you like your warm place and are comfy ,as for Scotland and their EU style "Neverendum" ,keep going until you get the "right" decision (only once regardless of all the previous "no's" and certainly never a confirmatory "peoples vote" aka remoaners ).

As for the Euro....good luck with that!

Cookep1

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:50pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:50pm

Richard080943 wrote on Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:37pm:

Celebrating the fact that they have lost billions, yes billions, in UK payments!  Celebrating the fact that they have lost 60% of their fish stocks from UK waters!   Celebrating the fact that they cannot force the UK to accept thousands of illegal immigrants: can´t impose a 3 billion e...

...xtra payment because ´we are doing so well´- forgotten all of that?

I could go on but the ignorant will not listen....

Drink up!

Richard, I hope you enjoyed your celebrations? Just yo correct a couple of errors in your quote. 

The UK does indeed pay billions to the EU each year for its membership, nett this is ~£7bn. However the government estimates the existing the EU will result in a reduction in UK GDP of 4.5-7% over the next 10yr. In Treasury revenues this equates to ~£15-20bn per annum. In other words an overall nett loss to the UK of £8-13bn

As regards fishing in UK water the Government figures show that the UK catches 80% of its fish in UK waters and 13% in other EU countries waters. EU countries in return catch 35% of their catch in UK waters, or 23% by value if you prefer. The nett gain to the EHnis therefore 22% not the 60% you mistakenly claim 

Illegal immigrants? The EU was faced with a huge displacement of people from the likes of Syria and others a few years back. They asked member states to help so that the likes if Greececwere not over burdened. The UK, using its veto, agreed to accommodate 10,000 whilst Germany accommodated over 1m. Nobody was forced, especially the UK, who as a founding member had a veto.

Lastly your claim of an extra £3bn payment because we were "doing do well". Whilst EU contributions are indeed based on a percentage of GDP, unfortunately the UK has simply not being doing so well, hence 10yrs of austerity. It is however true yo say the EU wished to renegotiate the UK rebate, ~£3bn, when negotiating with David Cameron prior to 2016. He refused and tgstvwas an end to it. 

Please don't think this is in any way a criticism of your, or anyone elses, decision to vote to leave. Nor is it intended as a moan from someone who voted to remain. It is simply a desire to ensure actual FACTS are used when attempting to inform people. 

Paul

PS all the above information is available on line should you wish to check

JRS

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 3:38pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 3:38pm

Cookep1 wrote on Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:50pm:

Richard, I hope you enjoyed your celebrations? Just yo correct a couple of errors in your quote. 

The UK does indeed pay billions to the EU each year for its membership, nett this is ~£7bn. However the government estimates the existing the EU will result in a reduction in UK GDP of 4.5-7% over the next 10yr. In Treasury revenues this equates to ~£15-20bn per annum. In other words an overall...

... nett loss to the UK of £8-13bn

As regards fishing in UK water the Government figures show that the UK catches 80% of its fish in UK waters and 13% in other EU countries waters. EU countries in return catch 35% of their catch in UK waters, or 23% by value if you prefer. The nett gain to the EHnis therefore 22% not the 60% you mistakenly claim 

Illegal immigrants? The EU was faced with a huge displacement of people from the likes of Syria and others a few years back. They asked member states to help so that the likes if Greececwere not over burdened. The UK, using its veto, agreed to accommodate 10,000 whilst Germany accommodated over 1m. Nobody was forced, especially the UK, who as a founding member had a veto.

Lastly your claim of an extra £3bn payment because we were "doing do well". Whilst EU contributions are indeed based on a percentage of GDP, unfortunately the UK has simply not being doing so well, hence 10yrs of austerity. It is however true yo say the EU wished to renegotiate the UK rebate, ~£3bn, when negotiating with David Cameron prior to 2016. He refused and tgstvwas an end to it. 

Please don't think this is in any way a criticism of your, or anyone elses, decision to vote to leave. Nor is it intended as a moan from someone who voted to remain. It is simply a desire to ensure actual FACTS are used when attempting to inform people. 

Paul

PS all the above information is available on line should you wish to check

Too many people in the Brexit debate are letting a good story get in the way of facts - largely fuelled through channels such as the Telegraph and Mail.

It is also estimated that the impact of Brexit thus far has cost us more than our net EU contributions to date.

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MRT1973

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:16pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:16pm

Hey everybody, what time is the punch up and where will it be held, couldn't bear not seeing this un. I do hope it resembles the punch up in the great film The Quiet Man with John Wayne. It must be the Irish genes that you lot have.

JRS

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:32pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:32pm

MRT1973 wrote on Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:16pm:

Hey everybody, what time is the punch up and where will it be held, couldn't bear not seeing this un. I do hope it resembles the punch up in the great film The Quiet Man with John Wayne. It must be the Irish genes that you lot have.

I wish I had more Irish in me. At least I could then get a decent passport

Ray

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:36pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:36pm

Only believe in a small amount of what you read,and believe everything you see .numbers can be manipulated to be what you want to believe.

LeckyLes

Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:37pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:37pm

MRT1973 wrote on Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:16pm:

Hey everybody, what time is the punch up and where will it be held, couldn't bear not seeing this un. I do hope it resembles the punch up in the great film The Quiet Man with John Wayne. It must be the Irish genes that you lot have.

MRT1973,

I like your comment but tbh ,I think going by what I have read in this thread it would be more like handbags at dawn. 😀.

LeckyLes 

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