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Posted: Tue Oct 1, 2019 8:26am
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Jeff58

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Well what can I say my life is totally on hold thanks to Brexit .

I have my heart set on moving to Spain with my Wife and 5 children .

We intended to buy this year then move Aug next year after GCSE .

I still intend living in Spain as a citizen and to totally integrate.  I have Spanish family in Spain and have had for 40 years and now we want our new home to be in the Sunshine . There are many people living in Spain from outside the EU so I believe we will be excepted ! It seems Boris has his heart set on crashing out of the EU and making noises about pulling up the draw bridge ! If he is successful it will make life much harder as I would imagine the attitude of Government in Spain will change towards us . All my children want to go to Spanish school apart from one and he want to go to an international school after he finishes his GCSE here. Well fingers crossed we get another referendum and stay in FINGERS CROSSED !

Kush

Posted: Tue Oct 1, 2019 11:29pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 1, 2019 11:29pm

We are in exact the same position Jeff, we are looking at properties at the moment, let's just hope Johnson shags brexit up like he has everything else he's ever done .

Kush

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 9:16am

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 9:16am

There will never be another referendum (not in the next few years) - there will be a civil war if this is ever announced!!

Jaki

Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 11:28am

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 11:28am

Yes, there's a lot of unrest in the UK, democracy is in a shambles and as yet no one with any sense has had sufficient support to pass anything in Westminster that would improve the lives of the people of Britain... I don't have a crystal ball but I can't see the UK leaving the EU this October

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 3:55pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 3:55pm

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RayD,

What "transition period"?  If there's a "no deal" Brexit, there will be no 21-months transition period.

Also, in the event of a "no deal" Brexit:

-  the UK government is only guaranteeing annual increases to State pension until April 2022

-  the S1 system for reciprocal healthcare is only guaranteed until 31 December 2020

-  for non-residents, UK citizens will be subject to the restrictions of the Schengen Zone travel area, i.e. they will only able to spend a maximum of 90 days in a rolling 180 days in the travel area, and will require Visas and International Driving Permits for UK licence holders.

You seem confident that, as someone who holds a residency certificate, you won't have to prove the higher level of income required of Third Country nationals, but I have only seen that stated for residents who have already attained the 5 years "Settled Status".   As someone, like you, who will not have attained 5 years' residency by 31st October, I'm expecting to have to prove the higher income levels when we apply for our TIEs.  If you've seen something to the contrary, I'd be grateful if you'd share your source.  In any event, should we even be assuming that there will be a bilateral agreement protecting citizens' rights between the UK and Spain, when the EU could introduce community-wide law that takes precedence over such bilateral agreements?

The current deal is dreadful and certainly doesn't honour Brexit - it leaves the UK, at least for the transition period, still subject to EU laws, including trade.  But as a Remainer, I'm coming to the conclusion that I would rather leave with a lousy deal than no deal.

I agree that Jeff should still pursue his dream of living in Spain, but there's no doubt that a no-deal Brexit is going to make it much harder for many people.

Kind regards,

Kim

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Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 6:44pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 6:44pm

Hi Ray,

I think more a matter of interpretation, rather than "false assumption".

Thanks for the clarification regarding the "transition period".

It's good to see that Moncloa's website doesn't reference permanent Resident Certificate, nor 5 years' Settled Status, so I'm happy to share your optimism - for the moment.....  ;o)

I think the NHS letter you refer to is the one issued by the NHS Business Services Authority?  (I'm not a pensioner, so I didn't receive one.)  I think it's disingenuous for them to state, "Your pension is not affected by the UK leaving the UK", and then to immediately follow that with, "Your UK State Pension will also be uprated in line with UK increases for 3 years up to and including 2022-23 while you are living in the EU. The government plans to negotiate an agreement with the EU to ensure your State Pension will carry on being uprated in the longer term."  This could have read, "Your UK State Pension will be affected if the government is not able to negotiate an agreement with the EU to continue uprating...." and, given their record thus far, is probably a more accurate interpretation.

Regarding the S1 scheme, "We are working hard to secure an arrangement with the EU or the country in which you live to continue current healthcare arrangements." is dubious, especially in view of the El Pais article, posted by Stan Bartolome last week ("Is this Project Fear too...?").  The report, "Spain will remove rights to British residents if it does not obtain equal treatment" follows a meeting in Madrid between the British Minister for Brexit, Steve Barclay, and Spain's Head of Diplomacy, the Foreign Minister, Josep Borrell, and Secretary of State for the EU, Luis Marco Aguiriano.  Both Spain and the EU are very concerned that the system developed by the UK for protecting citizens' rights does not reciprocate Spain's offer on a like-for-like basis, specifically in respect of "pre-resident status", nor is it enshrined in UK law.  Spain's position is that, until the UK reciprocates their offer, the "regulated measures" enacted in the Royal Decree in March this year will be suspended.  Potentially, that puts everything on Moncloa's website regarding post-Brexit citizens' rights in doubt.

I think all this demonstrates that for people like Jeff, who are trying to plan for a post-Brexit move, there's still too much uncertainty to ignore the potential downsides.

Kind regards,

Kim

Kush

Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 6:51pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 6:51pm

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Well we have just viewed the house of our dreams so heading back to the UK to put ours on the market tomorrow, and having spoken to a Spanish lawyer today we are going for it, a bit ungracious of you to want to just pull up the drawbridge though Ray. But I agree leave the UK to the small minded,  it's adiós from me and Buenas notches from her 😜

Kush🌺🌺🌺

Kush

Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 9:43pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 9:43pm

Cheers Ray, I have a feeling I just might 👍

Kush 🌺

Jeff58

Posted: Sat Oct 5, 2019 6:32am

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Posted: Sat Oct 5, 2019 6:32am

Hi I have been planning to move to Spain for some whole but looking after my Mother for some years slowed us down as she had Alzheimers! But now its all systems go so obviously I am extremely frustrated by Brexit but I am a remainer as I believe cutting the UK off would not be a great thing for western stability. Please don't add to the frustration by wishing us out of the EU which would make it a whole lot harder for my family and I ,we want to fully intergrat and become Spanish citizens as my family has ie sisters first moved here 45 years ago and now I'm ready to for us to do the same ! Anyway I'm coming with my tribe so see you next year and ill buy you a beer or a tea what ever does the trick bye for now 🤝

Kush

Posted: Sat Oct 5, 2019 8:09am

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Posted: Sat Oct 5, 2019 8:09am

Well we have just returned to the UK to put the house on the market, and having spoken to many in Spain (two of who were lawyers) there is still quite a bit of optimism that while brexit will change things it will not be to an extent that stops mine or your dreams of a move, my main concern was meeting the financial requirements as a non EU citizen which technicaly are much greater than for us at present, see Jim's guides on the forum, both lawyers assured us  that they deal with both EU  and non EU applicltations and the authorities always ask for the same level of financial proof regardless, especialy if you own a property. I know this is not how it should be and anyone reading this please do your own research but for me as taker of chances anyway the advice we got felt enough for us to trust it and as I said 'go for it' so yes I hope we do meet further down the road no not road calle and are living where we want to be Spain .

Kush🌺

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