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What advice can anyone give, regarding selling a home, from a person here, illegally.

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:30pm
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Helenx

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I have a colleague, who is living in Spain Illegally.He wants to sell his property which is paid for..he seems to think he can sell and buy another property, here, with no questions asked.My question is ,what would be the procedure, if he did sell, with the usual higher non resident taxes, as he is not Resident and has no paperwork for Spain. TIE, Spanish driving licence etc.Can he buy another property and with what ?

He won't listen to anything from anyone and also has a bad health condition, again, which is not covered by anything , as he has no SIP card or and seems to think he can go to A and E  and he will be treated..can someone please send advice..nice replies but honest ones please. ( I want to put facts in front of him, once and for all !!).Thank you :)

Kimmy11

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:54pm

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:54pm

Hi Helen,

There's nothing stopping him selling his existing property, or buying a new one.  As you say, he will have the 3% tax retention made from the proceeds, because he's non-resident, and providing there are no outstanding taxes on the property, he should be able to claim that back.  However, Brexit has not ceased the exchange of information between the respective tax authorities in Spain and the UK, so depending on his tax status in the UK, this could cause problems for him.  You also say he's a "colleague" - does this mean he's undertaking paid work in Spain?  If so, I'm assuming it's 'cash in hand', as being paid 'on the books' would also be a discrepancy that could be picked up by the tax authorities.

As you've mentioned driving, is he doing so on a UK licence?  If he's involved in an accident, he may get away with this, if he claims to be a tourist, but if he gets stopped at one of the fairly regular roadside checks, the police may have the time and inclination to delve further into his situation.  For example, as a non-resident, driving on a UK licence, he should carry his UK passport with him and, presumably, that won't show any passport control entry or exit stamps, so how would he explain that he's been in the country since 1st January 2021 (the end of the Brexit transition period) without leaving at least every 90 days and not re-entering the Schengen zone for another 90 days?

I think his biggest problem is healthcare.  As a non-resident tourist, he can access Emergencias at a state hospital, but they will ask him for his EHIC, as it was called when the UK was a member of the EU, or the new UK GHIC.  Does he still have a valid EHIC, or has he applied to the UK for a GHIC?  (He would need to be registered with a UK GP in order to obtain the new GHIC.)  Whilst he will be treated for immediate emergencies, he will be expected to receive ongoing treatment in his country of residence which, clearly, is not Spain.  If he already has health issues, these are unlikely to improve with age and, unless he can afford private health care, this could leave him in a very vulnerable position.

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Kim

Helenx

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:10pm

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:10pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:54pm:

Hi Helen,

There's nothing stopping him selling his existing property, or buying a new one.  As you say, he will have the 3% tax retention made from the proceeds, because he's non-resident, and providing there are no outstanding taxes on the property, he should be able to claim that back.  However...

..., Brexit has not ceased the exchange of information between the respective tax authorities in Spain and the UK, so depending on his tax status in the UK, this could cause problems for him.  You also say he's a "colleague" - does this mean he's undertaking paid work in Spain?  If so, I'm assuming it's 'cash in hand', as being paid 'on the books' would also be a discrepancy that could be picked up by the tax authorities.

As you've mentioned driving, is he doing so on a UK licence?  If he's involved in an accident, he may get away with this, if he claims to be a tourist, but if he gets stopped at one of the fairly regular roadside checks, the police may have the time and inclination to delve further into his situation.  For example, as a non-resident, driving on a UK licence, he should carry his UK passport with him and, presumably, that won't show any passport control entry or exit stamps, so how would he explain that he's been in the country since 1st January 2021 (the end of the Brexit transition period) without leaving at least every 90 days and not re-entering the Schengen zone for another 90 days?

I think his biggest problem is healthcare.  As a non-resident tourist, he can access Emergencias at a state hospital, but they will ask him for his EHIC, as it was called when the UK was a member of the EU, or the new UK GHIC.  Does he still have a valid EHIC, or has he applied to the UK for a GHIC?  (He would need to be registered with a UK GP in order to obtain the new GHIC.)  Whilst he will be treated for immediate emergencies, he will be expected to receive ongoing treatment in his country of residence which, clearly, is not Spain.  If he already has health issues, these are unlikely to improve with age and, unless he can afford private health care, this could leave him in a very vulnerable position.

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Kim

Thank you..he just won't listen and I've tried to tell him all of the above and I thank you for your help too..also, adding a pool onto his Escritura costing extra..so add that too.No funds, as he lives week to week. He won't have applied for a GHIC either, would rather listen to people in bars. Sad but true.

Helenx

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:41pm

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:41pm

Hi,

Yes, i'm sure there are..buy there is no anonymous helpline..you have to personally denounce someone..

tebo53

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:25pm

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:25pm

This post that was quoted has been deleted.

What does that mean? Plain English please.....

Steve 

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Helenx

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:56am

Helenx

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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:56am

tebo53 wrote on Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:25pm:

What does that mean? Plain English please.....

Steve 

What are you referring to ?

tebo53

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:03am

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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:03am

Helenx wrote on Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:56am:

What are you referring to ?

Hi,

I was referring to the previous post which has now been deleted, probably because it made no sense at all 🙄

Steve 

Helenx

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:06am

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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:06am

I didn't see this.

Stephanie86

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:12pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:12pm

There is a limit to your responsibility in this situation. We would all like to help people who seem determined to plough ahead regardless. If he has been given the facts and advice in black and white and chooses to ignore it, there is little you can do. Unless you have a very strong reason for not doing so, I would think it sensible to withdraw. In the end, if someone does not want your help and advice despite your best efforts, leave it alone. If you continue, there may be a possibility of becoming embroiled in a situation not of your making and with no reasonable outcome.

Helenx

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:28pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:28pm

Yes, I've tried everything, so I'm having to step away now..thank you for all of your comments  too. x

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