Britain looks to break International law - Page 2

Of course, however, if England truly wanted rid of Scotland, for example, both could come to an amicable arrangement over the dissolution of the Union. 

England, needs Scotland, despite the protests and the untruths. Thus the only option available to UK Govt is to allow Scotland access to the EU, or risk losing her forever.. 

Ireland will unite naturally within a generation, especially those younger in the north who see being Irish as an advantage over being British with regards to their futures. 

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Scotland has already asked for such

Over a year ago and to date await a direct reply

Not really Ray. Those in the UK with a parent born in Ireland are Irish citizens by birthright from day 1(applies to all born in the North of Ireland automatically) . The Irish Passport just adds legitimacy at the borders of Europe or for when moving to the EU. 

All Brexit enabled was the rush to get these documents in place, unsurprisingly, as a British passport will soon have zero worth on the EU mainland. 

The ironic thing is, many fervent supporters of Brexit in Spain, would never live in England if you paid them. 

The latest manoeuvres from Bojo and Co are as predictable as they are unlawful. 

You get what you vote for in that respect. 

It is  not a matter if England wants rid of Scotland but one entirely of  a democratlcally

Elected majority of INDY MSP,s in the 2021 Holyrood elections

And if Westminster refuses a Sect 30 order

Then it is game on

1.Legal action

2.Scots can hold a plebiscite referendum

With 1 simple question which is yes or no

And that Question is simply

Do the Scots solely have the sovereign right to decide who governs

Then say 60% + vote yes

Request of Westminster issue of Sect  30 order NOW

your answer is required within 48 hrs

If you say No and as the sovereign power

We reply

Yes we the citizens are the sovereign power  

And thou SHALL NOT govern without consent 

And while we are at itvdo not believe the propaganda from Westminster that England subidisises Scotland

I assure you this is quite the reverse is true if accurate fiscal accounting terms are applied So do not argue

Big hint Scotland has 32 % of all the UK resources Whilst having only 8.1 % of the Population

These assets are what the modern leading economic thinkers call post covid and pre serious effects of global warming as being 

The new natural assets and not only that

But Scotland/ capita is the richest of all Nations regarding such assets

E.G.Scotland has more than 50 % at the very least of the whole of Europe's

Renewable energy assets

So much so that the Worlds most renowned Academic of energy economics 

States and not my words but his

There is no doubt that if Scotland unshackles itself from Westminster or in the unlikely event Westminster stops rigging the pack to prevent fast proper development of Scottish renewable resources

Then I have no doubt that Scotland will be the new Saudi Arabia of the new energy world

And all that is the main reason England at all costs attempt to thwart Scotland

But too late now with all the lies,contempt,

Broken promises and complete disdain and arrogance shown against us

The Indy train has left the station and nothing can prevent from reaching its destination

55 % are now in favour of Indy

62 % in favour of a referendum

67% want to rejoin the EU

And wait for this one 

78% of 16 to 35 yr olds want Independence

In short the majority of Scots are now refusing to be governed in such a pathetic manner

We have had enough now

I have no anti English feelings whatsoever

And when we part then on our behalf it shall be with honour,respect and a ever present hand of friendship on offer

It is England who have the major problem and must come to terms that mostly it is a irrelevance now in world terms of military 

And economic affairs

Failure to do so is being delusional and if not acted upon the the decline can but only accelerate  

Being Irish, I feel quite wary of the opening remarks about  'upsetting the Irish again.'   This implies that the breaking of an international treaty -which this very same  British government signed with the EU (not the Irish) - and accompanied with  tremendous aplomb and self-praise; describing it as "oven-ready" and a "great deal"  and which would allow the UK to " get Brexit done, " I accept, by the way, that this probably wasn't a dig at southern Ireland, but bear with me on this one.  It takes as it's presumed starting point that this is a return to the "Irish problem' (a colonial narrative of the problematic and violent Irish that has a long and unpleasant history in Anglo-Irish relations).    So, somehow or other  in "upsetting  the Irish,"  it  follows from that, that terrorism will resume on mainland GB, and indeed on the island of Ireland, which has been most affected by the conflict and violence, including ex-judicial murders by forces of the UK state  apparently in collusion with paramilitaries , so no one has the high moral ground here, and I certainly do not and will not defend violence in any shape or form.  What most people in mainland  UK don't know, was that the IRA was intent on destroying the southern government, and that, even at the height of the Hunger Strikes, the SF/IRA rarely got more that  1 or 2% of the southern vote. 

It also seems to come as a surprise that the presumption that southern Ireland wants the north is not at all clear to southerners like me, who fear the destabilizing impact of a considerable northern population inured to conflict, and who still largely live in separate communities riven by sectarian hatred.  In my view, we neither want nor need such a problem, but what we do want is for people to live in the north as equal citizens without the widespread discrimination and disadvantage to the almost permanent Catholic/Nationalist minority that existed for nearly 70 years whilst under the auspices of British (mis) rule. 

So the problem isn't the problem of the Irish. The GFA/Belfast Accord was to to prevent destabilizing the province.  It is widely acknowledged that the Accord has been a success, in the main, which is why it's so precious. The people who will be most affected if it fails will be on the island of Ireland, not mainland UK.   This is why the EU cannot permit this to pass unchallenged. The people of Northern Ireland voted to remain, but leaving that aside, what matters in Ireland is  to protect a peace so hard-won.  It may stick in the craw that many people walked from prisons under the terms of the Accord, but sometimes this is needed to bring about peace, even if it's a rocky peace at times, and bear in mind, the victims well from all sides, and indeed one of  the largest losses of life in the conflict occurred in Dublin. No one has  a monopoly on pain and suffering.

The more intrinsic and existential problem is one for the UK government and UK politicians. How do you stand up for the rule of law when you don't follow it yourself?  For the EU the issue is 'how do you trust a UK government that cannot keep its word? ' This morning, on Andrew Marr, I heard the Irish foreign minister basically call No.10 liars - and he is not wrong.  We are the UK's closest neighbors. I, like many Irish and UK people, have friends and family in each other's country.  I don't think of the UK as "foreign" as I think of other places as "foreign."  We have bonds of culture, language and family that go way back.   The cross of Saint Patrick is on the 'Union Jack'  go into the lobby of Parliament of you'll see Saint Patrick and the other patron saints from the four Kingdoms on the Central isle, look at the Harp on the Royal Standard.  We are bound together and have been for centuries, for good or ill. In my view, of late the relationship has been better. 

The problem isn't the 'bloody Irish' the problem is honoring your word. Is your word your bond, and if it isn't what does that say about you?

A very good synopsis of the reality of the matter and to think that  Boris and his band of self interested bandits are all too well aware of the consequences if they continue to walk down the illegal path they have chosen 

They are not fit to govern it astounds me that a once proud nation  voted for him a known  liar.lazy and incompetent,refusal to put his name upon the birth cerificate of some of his progeny , attemped illegally to 

Close Parliament and much more to boot

What you sow is what thou shall reap

Excellent points and very well put Declan. 

However, I suspect that Nationists in the north of the Island probably feel more Irish than many in Dublin do, due to their alienation from those shared cultural bonds you speak of and of suffering most at the hand of the British.  Not a unique experience under the failed British Empire of course. 

As I said, the GFA and associated social and economic benefits must be preserved at all costs and why many top UK politicians and Lawyers, as, well as every sane mind in UK, Eire, EU and USA are so feverently opposed to this attempt by Bojo and his carpet baggers. 

I totally get the positive sentiment, but bear in mind, many (if not all) Northern loyalists  consider themselves 'British'  so minimal 'British' involvement is not a runner. The people of NI are entitled to be: British/Irish/Both.'  Now consider the legal position of citizens of our islands in each others jurisdictions.  We are citizens in each others countries  'in all but name.' British people in Ireland ( I think the largest minority) and likewise Irish in the UK have virtually identical rights and entitlements. We  even live in the ' Common Travel Area.'   

I agree with most of what you say, but caveat it with the pattern seen by many who used to be traditional unionists, especially the young, are opting to exert their Irishness.  

Britain had no place in Ireland 300 years, ago, despite the plantation of Scots in to Ulster. It possibly has less place in modern day peacetimes. And indeed, Bojo dropped the Unionists at the first opportunity once he got what he wanted. 

That should serve as a reminder to all on the Island and the wider EU. 

What about the killing of innocent men, women and children by the British Forces. I remember demonstrating with fellow students the day after Bloody Sunday. There are many who have not been brought to justice. Everyone on this thread is talking about what is going to happen and what happened. Instead, we should be talking about the flagrant disregard for the letter of the Law. Dragging up the past does no one any benefit. The British have a way of considering any fight for justice as terrorism. Israel and Palestine are in disarray as a result of British incompetence that has happened around the World. In the history of the UK, there are many instances of fighting against "terrorists". In relation to Israel and Palestine, various leaders who fought against the British became accepted. They had to! If the British had listened to Lawrence of Arabia a solution could have happened sooner. Had the British listened to the people of Northern Ireland a solution would have been found long before the Good Friday Agreement. It wasn't because of bloody-mindedness and a sense of superiority that the British continue to display with Brexit. Great Britain is a figment of the imagination. It has not been Great since Victoria.