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Importing New Furniture to UK

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:45pm
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louieheaton17

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Hello Everyone!

We have recently bought in the area and our place is in need of some DIY! I have a trade account at Howdens Joinery here in the UK and have designed our kitchen. 

Now my question is really, if I buy the kitchen here in the UK and then rent a van and drive it down to spain for personal use in my second home, is there any import charges or do I need to declare any of it? If so, what can I expect? 

If anybody knows, that would be really helpful!

Thanks!

Louie

killjoy

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:02pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:02pm

Usually, household equipment and items are tax exempted as long as they are not new, whih is not your case. So you will have to pay not only for transport but also import taxes, duties, 21% VAT on the CIF value. customs agent's fees and handling charges. I seriously doubt that this is worthwhile. There's a huge variety of Spanish and international kitchen brands available "on site" where you can easily settle any problems w/o complicated paperwork. Think it over. To get an overview look here https://www.leroymerlin.es/cocinas/muebles-cocina/cocinas-completas

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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:44pm

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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:44pm

killjoy wrote on Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:02pm:

Usually, household equipment and items are tax exempted as long as they are not new, whih is not your case. So you will have to pay not only for transport but also import taxes, duties, 21% VAT on the CIF value. customs agent's fees and handling charges. I seriously doubt that this is worthwhile....

... There's a huge variety of Spanish and international kitchen brands available "on site" where you can easily settle any problems w/o complicated paperwork. Think it over. To get an overview look here https://www.leroymerlin.es/cocinas/muebles-cocina/cocinas-completas

Just a question to ask. Maybe someone will know the answer.

If you have to pay 21% vat to import the goods and you have paid vat in the country of origin (UK), can you claim the vat back from the UK so you dont pay double taxation? 

Or can you inform the seller that you are exporting so shouldn't be charged vat?

swcoulthurst

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:31pm

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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:31pm

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Dont understand what you mean you dont pay vat..you pay vat just claim it back in the same way that you charge vat on what you sell. If audited though, the vat reclaimed on this would count as earnings as it is for personal use, not business so then would go to self assessment as earnings.

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:13pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:13pm

louieheaton17 wrote on Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:45pm:

Hello Everyone!

We have recently bought in the area and our place is in need of some DIY! I have a trade account at Howdens Joinery here in the UK and have designed our kitchen. 

Now my question is really, if I buy the kitchen here in the UK and then rent a van and drive it down to spain for personal use in my second home, is there any import charges or do I need to declare any of it? If so, what can I expect? 

If anybody knows, that would be really helpful!

Thanks!

Louie

I try to read every posting which mentions transporting own goods to second home in Spain as we have been doing this before Brexit without any problems, but now find we will have to pay 21%iva and customs duties and pay for customs agents with declarations to be done. Killjoy has stated "generally own used goods are exempt for tax" but this is totally wrong. Only if you are transferring your primary residence in Uk to Spain will you be entitled to tax exemption via proof of "transfer of residence". 

As you are like us trying to transport items to a 2nd home there are no ways to avoid the charges. You have mentioned trying to refund the tax as already paid in Uk and I dont know about that as the goods I want to take are old used belongings. I would be grateful if you gain any info on how one gets the customs process done as gov. UK mainly gives advice on commercial hauliers not individual 2nd home owners doing it themselves. My hubby wants to just load up as before and claim ignorrancy but I fear our van could be confiscated and leave us temporary without transport until it has been sorted out by customs. I, m not agreeable so need to find out what we need to do properly or if it's too expensive to continue, we have a lot to sell off. 

I hope you have better luck finding out what the process is than I have had, and please let me know your outcome. 

Regards 

Pauline 

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GordonH605

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:27pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:27pm

Can't see the point of transporting kitchen units from the UK when you can buy the same quality and type of units in LeRoy Merlin, Bricomart and IKEA here for DIY installation.  The first two places are actually much better in many ways than the UK equivalents and if you want to add or change something it's easily done.

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:24pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:24pm

GordonH605 wrote on Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:27pm:

Can't see the point of transporting kitchen units from the UK when you can buy the same quality and type of units in LeRoy Merlin, Bricomart and IKEA here for DIY installation.  The first two places are actually much better in many ways than the UK equivalents and if you want to add or chang...

...e something it's easily done.

I do understand the reason. Howdens are trade so would get massive discounts off the fictitious RRP. However Howdens are only standard units so no real difference in the cost anyway. Brico Depot in Crevillente part of B&Q (Kingfisher). 

louieheaton17

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:10pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:10pm

So, thought I'd update everyone on my findings. This only relates to buying and exporting, so if you have already bought the goods, I'm afraid this won't work. I've spoken with HMRC and they have said that I am able to get the 'zero-rated' VAT charge on new goods, as long as they are being exported to the EU immediately. Hence, get somebody, or yourself, to pick them up and head off to the EU. You just have to get an EORI number from the gov.uk website (takes a couple of minutes) and then use a customs agent to fill out the paperwork for you for travel. You should then let the company you are buying from in question that you qualify for the 'zero-rated' VAT charge as you are exporting and then provide them with a copy of the export for their records. 
This method, from what I've been told, is called an 'Indirect Export'. You will still have to pay VAT, just only in one country. Still trying to work out all the little problems and haven't actually performed the transport yet but will keep this update on how it all turns out.
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:27pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:27pm

swcoulthurst wrote on Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:24pm:

I do understand the reason. Howdens are trade so would get massive discounts off the fictitious RRP. However Howdens are only standard units so no real difference in the cost anyway. Brico Depot in Crevillente part of B&Q (Kingfisher). 

I've compared Howden's trade prices with IKEA, Wickes, B+Q etc. several times and they are usually around the same price, but plus VAT, not included like the others, so I have never bought from them.  Trade like them because the units are ready assembled.  Ready assembled is literally a big problem for transport, and no real advantage for DIY installation.  

Interesting to know that Bricomart has the same owner as B+Q - I guess the colour scheme is a clue.  Far, far better than B+Q in my opinion though, with much more knowledgeable and helpful staff, wider range of products for both DIY and professional use and much easier to find the stuff with overhead displays.  

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:15pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:15pm

GordonH605 wrote on Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:27pm:

I've compared Howden's trade prices with IKEA, Wickes, B+Q etc. several times and they are usually around the same price, but plus VAT, not included like the others, so I have never bought from them.  Trade like them because the units are ready assembled.  Ready assembled is literally a...

... big problem for transport, and no real advantage for DIY installation.  

Interesting to know that Bricomart has the same owner as B+Q - I guess the colour scheme is a clue.  Far, far better than B+Q in my opinion though, with much more knowledgeable and helpful staff, wider range of products for both DIY and professional use and much easier to find the stuff with overhead displays.  

Yes that's why I said th fictitious RRP. I was Heating engineer in the UK and 75% discount is just a lie, but they give discount off the never used RRP. Prices are very similar but people just think 'I'm getting loads of discount'. Absolute nonsense. IKEA units also come assembled, but as you say a nightmare to transport. It only takes 10 minutes max to assemble a kitchen carcass so no real biggie. Howdens also offer white goods at discounted prices, but try getting anything to repair Lamona white goods. Stick to proper names goods. Units are 18mm so same as Leroys, Bricomart and Brico Depot. Brico Mart in Finestrat is owned by the parent company of Leroys by the way.

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