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I’ve signed it, only 2,900 signatures to go, and we might get a response.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:47pm
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:02pm
craig245t wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:31pm:
Fair point Graeme, I just can't see the UK government having any interest in doing that. They want us here spending our money to help the economy recover.
I'm hoping Spain will relax the rule as Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and Romania do.
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If Spain wants our money they'll need to let us in.
The reason you can stay longer in Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus is that although they are in the EU, they are not part of Schengen.
There is no possibility of Spain changing the amount of time people from third party countries can stay without withdrawing from Schengen, andthe chances of that happening are less than zero.
We cannot expect other countries to change their rules just because a percentage of the UK's population want them to. The vote was in favour of leaving the EU, and this is a consequence of doing so.
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:58am
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Ampstar wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:02pm:
The reason you can stay longer in Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus is that although they are in the EU, they are not part of Schengen.
There is no possibility of Spain changing the amount of time people from third party countries can stay without withdrawing from Schengen, andthe chances of that happening are less than zero. ...
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We cannot expect other countries to change their rules just because a percentage of the UK's population want them to. The vote was in favour of leaving the EU, and this is a consequence of doing so.
Good info Ampstar 👍
Just to be clear I don't expect Spain to change its rules to accommodate us - that would be a little arrogant.
I suppose I live in hope that they will, and hope never harmed anyone. But I think you're right, it ain't gonna happen.
90 days in 180 will suit us just fine as the world's a big place and there's plenty places we've not visited.
Petition signed last week all the same.
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:26am
Ampstar wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:02pm:
The reason you can stay longer in Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus is that although they are in the EU, they are not part of Schengen.
There is no possibility of Spain changing the amount of time people from third party countries can stay without withdrawing from Schengen, andthe chances of that happening are less than zero. ...
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We cannot expect other countries to change their rules just because a percentage of the UK's population want them to. The vote was in favour of leaving the EU, and this is a consequence of doing so.
Wow that is a big statement saying Spain will DEFINITELY not change their rules and no possibility of it. Have you got a crystal ball?.
IAfter talks with the U.K. government, Spain have changed their rules to accommodate Gibraltar 🇬🇮 and I’m sure that when things settle down issues on other bilateral agreement’s will be forthcoming. If you don’t ask, you don’t get. All we are doing is asking.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:33am
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craig245t wrote on Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:58am:
Good info Ampstar 👍
Just to be clear I don't expect Spain to change its rules to accommodate us - that would be a little arrogant.
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I suppose I live in hope that they will, and hope never harmed anyone. But I think you're right, it ain't gonna happen.
90 days in 180 will suit us just fine as the world's a big place and there's plenty places we've not visited.
Petition signed last week all the same.
Hi Craig
7.5 thousand to date
We are getting there
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:26am
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Bob6161 wrote on Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:26am:
Wow that is a big statement saying Spain will DEFINITELY not change their rules and no possibility of it. Have you got a crystal ball?.
IAfter talks with the U.K. government, Spain have changed their rules to accommodate Gibraltar 🇬🇮 and I’m sure that when things settle down issues on other bilateral agreement’s will be forthcoming. If you don’t ask, you don’t get. All we are doing is asking.
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Hi Bob,
While it's correct for Ampstar to point out that the countries mentioned are not relevant to the discussion, because they aren't in Schengen, I see no issue with signing this petition, even though it has no impact on my own situation. Similarly, the mention of Gibraltar is also irrelevant in this context, because Schengen is an EU construct, not a Spanish one. The UK has never been in Schengen, but it agreed to Gibraltar, as one of its overseas territories, joining Schengen post-Brexit for the purpose of facilitating seamless movement between the UK and Spanish territories.
I agree that we don't know whether it may be possible for the two countries to come to a bilateral agreement in the future, but with Covid-19 taking up so much attention at the moment, I can't see this being a high priority anytime soon. In the meantime, like you, I agree we should do what we can to support UK non-resident property owners in Spain, by keeping up pressure on both governments. It took about 30 seconds to sign and verify my vote, so I hope Ampstar and others who may doubt the viability of the petition, will still sign it.
Kind regards,
Kim
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:06am
Kimmy11 wrote on Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:26am:
Hi Bob,
While it's correct for Ampstar to point out that the countries mentioned are not relevant to the discussion, because they aren't in Schengen, I see no issue with signing this petition, even though it has no impact on my own situation. Similarly, the mention of Gibraltar is also irrelevant i...
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...n this context, because Schengen is an EU construct, not a Spanish one. The UK has never been in Schengen, but it agreed to Gibraltar, as one of its overseas territories, joining Schengen post-Brexit for the purpose of facilitating seamless movement between the UK and Spanish territories.
I agree that we don't know whether it may be possible for the two countries to come to a bilateral agreement in the future, but with Covid-19 taking up so much attention at the moment, I can't see this being a high priority anytime soon. In the meantime, like you, I agree we should do what we can to support UK non-resident property owners in Spain, by keeping up pressure on both governments. It took about 30 seconds to sign and verify my vote, so I hope Ampstar and others who may doubt the viability of the petition, will still sign it.
Kind regards,
Kim
Hi Kim, I have just got my Residancia, and like you feel we should all support people who unfortunately due to COVID-19 have not been able to get theirs. As for Gibraltar not being relevant, Spain HAVE changed the rules and Gibraltar is now part of the EU free travel area but there is no 90 day rule for U.K. travelers there. 👍
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:17am
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craig245t wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:31pm:
Fair point Graeme, I just can't see the UK government having any interest in doing that. They want us here spending our money to help the economy recover.
I'm hoping Spain will relax the rule as Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and Romania do.
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If Spain wants our money they'll need to let us in.
Spain does not need the UKs money. Yes, they want tourists back but they care not a jot where second home owners come from. Last census showed the Russians as the most lucrative and growing market, followed by Scandanavians and then the Brits.
That's said, I agree with the petition and encourage all to sign it .
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:20am
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As others have done, I have signed the petition. It won't effect me as I am a resident, but do understand the issues faced by the many it effects. However, having a petition accepted is the first hurdle to get over.
Incidentally, this morning I spoke to my mate in Kamlik, Slovenia, and asked what the landborder crossing into and out of Croatia was like. He said that just before Christmas he had to visit Zegreb, and it took 8 (EIGHT) hours to get through, as the queue was some 4kms long.Not so bad last week, as he said he only queued for an hour both into and out of Croatia.Being part of mainland Europe but not being part of Schengen does have disadvantages.
Incidentally, this morning I spoke to my mate in Kamlik, Slovenia, and asked what the landborder crossing into and out of Croatia was like. He said that just before Christmas he had to visit Zegreb, and it took 8 (EIGHT) hours to get through, as the queue was some 4kms long.Not so bad last week, as he said he only queued for an hour both into and out of Croatia.Being part of mainland Europe but not being part of Schengen does have disadvantages.
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:04pm
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Wilbur wrote on Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:17am:
Spain does not need the UKs money. Yes, they want tourists back but they care not a jot where second home owners come from. Last census showed the Russians as the most lucrative and growing market, followed by Scandanavians and then the Brits.
That's said, I agree with the petition and encourage all to sign it ....
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Aah! Maybe it's just our company they want🤣🤣
Spain will notice a definate dip in revenue from the UK when you consider how many retired people used to spend time in Spain above the 90 days in 180. I know it was always the rule anyway but it wasn't enforced.
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