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Length of stay coming from NI

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:16am
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Grannyrose

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It’s only now really sinking in. I’ve already booked several flights to see me through the year but suddenly I have begun counting and see that if I visit from Easter, I can stay periodically until June. Then I must not return until October and permitted to stay anytime up to the end of December. The winter months when I enjoy being inSpain will not be permitted and I must wait until April to return.

Now, here’s the thing. I live in NI and with an Irish passport may visit anytime I fancy as long as I don’t stay any longer than  180days in any year , is this correct?  Having 2 passports could allow me to visit for360 days!  Can’t be true but surly a possibility.   I read that the Valencian government would like to change the 90 day rule and allow tourists to come and go as previously so hope they implement this sooner rather than later. 

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:10am

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:10am

Hi Grannyrose, 

             the rule is you can stay for a maximum of 90 days in any 180 days. That is a rolling 180 days and starts when you first enter a country in the Schengen area, not just Spain. 

  If you have a passport from Eire rather than NI the 90 day rule does not apply as Eire is in the EU, the 90 day rule only applies to passport holders from third countries such as the UK.

  I have not heard about any extension to the 90 rule being considered by the Valencian government but perhaps others have.

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:04pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:04pm

Yes, ROI is not a part of Schengen 

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:12pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:12pm

This post that was quoted has been deleted.

Yes, my post as wrong, the 90 day rue applies to all. Previously this seems to have not been rigorously enforced in Spain for EU countries, not sure if that will change. 

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:56pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:56pm

I'm assuming you have a NIE etc ?

So you "exist" in Spain.

So >183 days would make you tax-liable.

Maybe a bit risky to try to pop in and out using 2 different passports

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:17pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:17pm

Hello Rose, hope you’re keeping well? 

I just googled this and it seems you can leave N.I. using your UK passport, then show your Irish passport when entering and leaving Spain, but your UK passport flying back into N.I.  As Ireland is not a member of Schengen you do have to show a passport, so presumably if flying into/from Dublin you’d use the Irish one.  In Spain with your Irish passport you’d then have all the benefit of being an EU citizen, although in theory you should apply for residence after 90 days.  Your UK passport should save you needing to queue as foreign citizen when travelling from/to Belfast International.  Sometimes one can have ones cake and eat it!

Take care now, and hope to see you soon

E

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:16pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:16pm

The rule for those in Eire is still max 90 day continuous visit unless applying for residency. The difference between EU citizens and non-EU is that EU citizens can leave Spain for just a weekend and then go back for up to another 90 days. BUT if you stay more than 183 days in any year you become a tax resident regardless and are required to file a return and pay tax in Spain on your worldwide assets. Non-EU citizens can only stay in the entire Schengen zone for a total of 90 days in any consecutive 180 days.

At the moment on an Irish passport you can still get away with overstaying, but next year ETIAS comes into use.

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:54pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:54pm

Thanks everyone!  I’m still non the wiser!  I will hope that my Irish passport allows me the freedom to spend my usual breaks. We’ve never overstayed or lived outside the time permitted   I love being in Spain but I equally love being at home but would like to continue visiting for a couple of weeks at Easter then home and back over for a few weeks before the intense heat gets me!  I had so many flights with easyJet that they awarded me a special customer flight club number which allows me to change flights without incurring a charge which is a huge bonus. Hence the reason I change my flights on a whim!  I’m sure lots of others have this privilege too as some of my friends also have it. 
Anyway, we will see what the future brings and hopefully everything will revert back to normal soon. 

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:58pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:58pm

Grannyrose wrote on Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:54pm:

Thanks everyone!  I’m still non the wiser!  I will hope that my Irish passport allows me the freedom to spend my usual breaks. We’ve never overstayed or lived outside the time permitted   I love being in Spain but I equally love being at home but would like to continue visiting...

... for a couple of weeks at Easter then home and back over for a few weeks before the intense heat gets me!  I had so many flights with easyJet that they awarded me a special customer flight club number which allows me to change flights without incurring a charge which is a huge bonus. Hence the reason I change my flights on a whim!  I’m sure lots of others have this privilege too as some of my friends also have it. 
Anyway, we will see what the future brings and hopefully everything will revert back to normal soon. 

How can you be none the wiser after reading DaveBevs post above?

It's crystal clear.

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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:59am

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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:59am

Purple gran wrote on Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:17pm:

Hello Rose, hope you’re keeping well? 

I just googled this and it seems you can leave N.I. using your UK passport, then show your Irish passport when entering and leaving Spain, but your UK passport flying back into N.I.  As Ireland is not a member of Schengen you do have to show a passport, so presumably if flying into/from Dubl...

...in you’d use the Irish one.  In Spain with your Irish passport you’d then have all the benefit of being an EU citizen, although in theory you should apply for residence after 90 days.  Your UK passport should save you needing to queue as foreign citizen when travelling from/to Belfast International.  Sometimes one can have ones cake and eat it!

Take care now, and hope to see you soon

E

Great to hear from you E,

Probably drove past your son’s house last week as had to pick up a box from outside a house nearby. All is well with us and both have had our vaccinations. Brother in law has had both ( shielding) Looks like we won’t get to Spain for Easter but may be allowed to go to our caravan in Castlerock or maybe not!  Regardless, we’ve no complaints and are perfectly content and happy. The days and weeks are flying by so quickly sadly but soon we will meet up snd enjoy a coffee and chat. Enjoy your lives as you always do and take care. Wonderful to hear that Spain is helping Astra Zeneca get the vaccines out with their plant packaging etc.,  You will al get vaccinated sooner rather than later I’m glad to say. Look after yourselves. Xx

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