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oadbyman

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:40pm

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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:40pm

Alfapash wrote on Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:51pm:

You can travel to any country in the Schengen area if you have an Eire passport and move about between countries but in the stricktest of terms only for 90 in 180days.

That has always been the case, it's just that Spain, France and others countries never enforced it at the borders for Eire or Uk nationals when the Uk was a member state. I can remember arriving at Alicante on flights from Luton and there were no border control officers to check for years. I just...

... walked through.

Now it is different, it could be flights from Dublin will still have no border control in Spain although it should under EU rules.

They will be checking every UK passport holder for certain and woh betide anyone who stays to long, fines will be winging their way. No E gates for us. Maybe something can be arranged in the future, especially if it starts to have a detrimental effect on the Spanish economy. Uk Spanish holiday home owners can only hope.

Sorry you are incorrect EU citizens are NOT repeat NOT subject to 90 days in 180, this is what Freedom of Movement gives all EU citizens, (if you can find any offical information the counter this please post on here).

EU citizens have to register in accordance with local laws -

France register if I am going to stay over 90 days (not sure about tax).

Spain register if I am going to stay over 90 days in one period, become tax resident after 182 days in a Tax (calendar) year.

I can go from UK to France, Italy on via France to Spain, and return to the UK provided I only stay in each country less than 90 continuous days the EU are not concerned. My wife who has a UK Passport can travel with me but she will need to get a visa that cannot be refused as she is married to an EU citizen.

The rules for third countries including the UK are very unlikely to change as it is the full 27 of the EU that have to change the rules.

oadbyman

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:52pm

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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:52pm

 I found this it is the correct rules regarding EU citizens in traveling in the EU

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/registering-residence/index_en.htm

As you will see there is no mention of 90-180 days, that is third country citizens.

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Posted: Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:08pm

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Posted: Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:08pm

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Yes, you are right that any EU citizen staying in Spain for over 90 days legally has to register, in the past not many did, some spent years in Spain and never registered.

There is no limit to the number of days a EU citizen can spend in the Schengen area regardless if their country is in the Schengen area or not.

I note your comment about an Irish passport not being checked, it does not matter if it is as the rights are there and your passport should not even be stammped , the computers will record entry and exit of the area.

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 3:02pm

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Purple gran wrote on Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:17pm:

Hello Rose, hope you’re keeping well? 

I just googled this and it seems you can leave N.I. using your UK passport, then show your Irish passport when entering and leaving Spain, but your UK passport flying back into N.I.  As Ireland is not a member of Schengen you do have to show a passport, so presumably if flying into/from Dubl...

...in you’d use the Irish one.  In Spain with your Irish passport you’d then have all the benefit of being an EU citizen, although in theory you should apply for residence after 90 days.  Your UK passport should save you needing to queue as foreign citizen when travelling from/to Belfast International.  Sometimes one can have ones cake and eat it!

Take care now, and hope to see you soon

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Really?  How does that work with the API (Advance Passenger Information) that you have to complete with the airline prior to flying - unless you fly out with one airline and return with another?

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 3:46pm

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Kimmy11 wrote on Mon May 31, 2021 3:02pm:

Really?  How does that work with the API (Advance Passenger Information) that you have to complete with the airline prior to flying - unless you fly out with one airline and return with another?

I agree  Kimmy11, you can't leave on one passport and enter using another. In reality, only Schengen countries have Freedom of Movement between schegan countries. Both the UK and Eire were never signed up to schengen. The Spanish and other EU countries within Schengen never bothered, but now they will for Uk citizens . Whether you can get away with it if the have an Eire passport and fly from Dublin ?????

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:21pm

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:21pm

Alfapash wrote on Mon May 31, 2021 3:46pm:

I agree  Kimmy11, you can't leave on one passport and enter using another. In reality, only Schengen countries have Freedom of Movement between schegan countries. Both the UK and Eire were never signed up to schengen. The Spanish and other EU countries within Schengen never bothered, but now...

... they will for Uk citizens . Whether you can get away with it if the have an Eire passport and fly from Dublin ?????

I agree, Alfapash, but when people only listen to what they want to hear, I find it sometimes works to take a different approach 😉

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:32pm

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:32pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Mon May 31, 2021 4:21pm:

I agree, Alfapash, but when people only listen to what they want to hear, I find it sometimes works to take a different approach 😉

This guy posts a disclaimer at the end, and his two passports are not from the European continent, but he does make the point that immigration officials do not check passport details against the airline’s manifest ( although it’s my understanding that Spanish officials need details of incoming passengers)

https://www.theworldwasherefirst.com/travelling-with-two-passports/

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:35pm

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:35pm

Purple gran wrote on Mon May 31, 2021 5:32pm:

This guy posts a disclaimer at the end, and his two passports are not from the European continent, but he does make the point that immigration officials do not check passport details against the airline’s manifest ( although it’s my understanding that Spanish officials need details of incomin...

Unfortunately, "Michael´s" disclaimer is about commission payments from affiliate websites, rather than the veracity of the information on his website.  His "step-by-step" guide is so littered with holes, I don´t have the time or inclination to point them all out.  Despite describing himself as a "guru", the Q&As at the bottom of his guide prove otherwise.  I can only assume that the reason he says, ".....in the United Kingdom or the USA, there is no immigration when exiting the country......" is because he doesn´t understand the purpose of API and isn´t up to date with UK border controls.  Despite his guide being dated October 2020, he seems unaware that the UK introduced the API system in 2004 and since 8 April 2015 has been passing data relating to all travellers exiting the UK, by any form of commercial transport, to the Home Office for the purpose of border and immigration control.   

I´m afraid this proves my point about people only listening to (and/or seeking out) what they want to hear.  I really would urge people to use official sources for such important information: they´re much more likely to be accurate and up to date.

Kind regards,

Kim  

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Posted: Tue Jun 1, 2021 12:47am

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Posted: Tue Jun 1, 2021 12:47am

Kimmy11 wrote on Mon May 31, 2021 10:35pm:

Unfortunately, "Michael´s" disclaimer is about commission payments from affiliate websites, rather than the veracity of the information on his website.  His "step-by-step" guide is so littered with holes, I don´t have the time or inclination to point them all out.  Despite descri...

...bing himself as a "guru", the Q&As at the bottom of his guide prove otherwise.  I can only assume that the reason he says, ".....in the United Kingdom or the USA, there is no immigration when exiting the country......" is because he doesn´t understand the purpose of API and isn´t up to date with UK border controls.  Despite his guide being dated October 2020, he seems unaware that the UK introduced the API system in 2004 and since 8 April 2015 has been passing data relating to all travellers exiting the UK, by any form of commercial transport, to the Home Office for the purpose of border and immigration control.   

I´m afraid this proves my point about people only listening to (and/or seeking out) what they want to hear.  I really would urge people to use official sources for such important information: they´re much more likely to be accurate and up to date.

Kind regards,

Kim  

The USA does have very strict entry and exit systems. I've been to the USA many times and their ETSA visa system is even stricter since the 9/11 terrorist attack on the twin towers. Your passport is not only stamped when you enter but a paper entry slip is stapled to the page where its been stamped, when you exit the USA they remove the paper slip and stamp the same page. Then they know you've left the country.

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Posted: Tue Jun 1, 2021 7:59am

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Posted: Tue Jun 1, 2021 7:59am

Alfapash wrote on Tue Jun 1, 2021 12:47am:

The USA does have very strict entry and exit systems. I've been to the USA many times and their ETSA visa system is even stricter since the 9/11 terrorist attack on the twin towers. Your passport is not only stamped when you enter but a paper entry slip is stapled to the page where its been stamp...

...ed, when you exit the USA they remove the paper slip and stamp the same page. Then they know you've left the country.

Thanks Alfapash, I concentrated on the UK because that's mostly relevant to this forum, but you're absolutely right, the USA is equally as strict as the UK and has been so for even longer.

Kind regards,

Kim

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