The 90/180 day rule - Page 3

Hi Michael,

I'm afraid that being "retired and financially solvent, owning property in Spain and the UK" doesn't exempt you from Spanish residency laws or Schengen travel zone rules.  The UK government website confirms that EU countries will not start counting days spent in the Schengen zone before 1 January 2021, but that doesn't mean you don't have to comply with Spain's 90-day residency laws.

Just to help further with your deliberations, if you were able to gain residency in Spain before the end of this year, you would then have to comply with another of Spain's residency laws, i.e. you have to live in Spain for a minimum of 6 months each year until you achieve 5 years' "settled status"; this will also result in you becoming tax resident in Spain.  If you leave Spain for more than 6 months in any of those first 5 years, you will void your residency.

Kind regards,

Kim

Thanks for those points Kim, all of which I was aware of.  At present I am leaning more towards NOT going for residency than going for it.

We all have our own motivations for doing this or that and I am not clear in my mind that I want to live here permanently.  More thinking to do.

Is it set in stone now that these rules come into force? Would some sort of Brexit deal allow them to waive these laws?

Hi Steve I think your statement is out of order ,I voted to leave and dont consider myself an idiot .Working in the UK I saw my standard of living being eroded by the constant supply of foreign nationals arriving in UK to the benefit of employers and to the detriment of UK citizens .I do detect an animosity on this forum to British citizens by former British citizens ,talk about I'm alright Jack

They are Schengen area rules and to create exemptions would require agreement by all member states.

I see no particular incentive to or advantage in them doing that, do you?

I wonder if it will put some people off visiting Spain (and other countries) and maybe reduce the income from UK people.

I know a rabid Brexiteer who has recently gone to Portugal to try and arrange his citizenship.

Difficult to think of anything more hypocritical.

It seems inevitable that these new restrictions, following on from this annus horriblis, will put some people off buying a place as well as affecting those who used to go for long winter holidays of maybe six months.

You do wonder if the EU governments might get together and say they can’t afford to lose this missing income and some arrangement might be thrashed out.

Found this on internet , might help 

Holiday home owners really should have factored into their plans that staying for more than 90 days out of 180 was the Schengen rule and that an end to getting away with abusing it was always a possibility, Brexit has crystallised that. 

So called' Swallows', and the proportion of them accustomed to coming over for more than 90 days, will account for a tiny traction of the tourist trade and in any case they will likely still come for the 90 days so any loss of benefit for Spain will only be on anything in excess of that. 

To put some numbers to that overall tourism accounts for around 12% of Spains GDP with British tourists accounting for just 20% of that or 2.4% so those who claim that the tourist industry will collapse if the Brits don't come are well wide of the mark! 

Morning all  definitely appears that some on this forum are revelling in the fact that UK home owners in Spain ,that wont take out residency in Spain will have their stays restricted, what it gains them is beyond me